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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 10:28:03 GMT -5
OK, thanks JMO. I'm going to ask you - If even one state infringes on the expressed, enumerated right to keep and bear arms as stated in the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, is that "one state too many?" If not, why not? Why wouldn't it be one state too many? |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 10:32:20 GMT -5
Joe Horn was safe in his home stalking his NEIGHBORS home, and uninvited guests. To me he was not directly threatened, and he was not justified.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 10:38:52 GMT -5
Ferrous, did you misunderstand my point? I wasn't referring to abortion though it may read that way.
I've made it clear late term abortions should never be allowed unless it for MAJOR medical reasons. At the 7-8th week after fertilization inside the amniotic sac is an embryo not a viable fetus.
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 6, 2008 11:11:22 GMT -5
there are so many advocates for "women's rights." what about the unborn (or in some cases, born) children. who advocates for them? again, if you truly believe a fetus is simply a cluster of cells i ask you to look at your children (if you have any) and ask yourself if you are not truly thankful to have them in your life. now do you still feel the same? remember that you and i are also survivors. our mothers could just as easily aborted us. "On April 6, 1977, Gianna's 17 year old birthmother (named Tina) sought a saline abortion at seven months pregnant. Saline abortions involve injecting a caustic saline solution into the amniotic fluid, which (normally) causes the fetus to be scalded to death and then delivered dead. In this case, however, things didn't go according to plan. In the early hours of April 7th, Tina went into labor and gave birth to a living baby girl, Gianna. Fortunately for Gianna, she was born before the abortionist had arrived at the clinic for the day. As a result, instead of being killed at birth by the abortionist, she was transported to a hospital. She was severely injured by the abortion attempt, requiring a three month stay in the hospital, but she survived to be placed in a foster family specializing in high risk babies. "for more on abortion survivors, try this link: joseromia.tripod.com/survivors.htmlthis link contains just a few stories but let me know if you can read through all of them with a dry eye. |
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Post by ferrous on Sept 6, 2008 11:39:45 GMT -5
The whole Roe vs Wade was a miscarrage (pun intended) of justice.
When the Supreme Court ruled that "when ever the health of the mother was at risk," the ambiguity of the term "mothers health" has been applied also to the mothers mental health.
So by law, we give the mother three months to make that decision to end her pregnancy. That is the law. The problem arises from women by a number of reasons, waits too long:
71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other
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[The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than during the earlier stages of pregnancy.
As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court order.
Some of the 36 state bans are believed by pro-choice organizations to be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has held that bans must include exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is impermissibly narrow.]
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From a personal point of view, I believe that life begins at conception when the cell first begins to divide. At that point and beyond the embryo, zygote, festus is a human life.
By law, Abortions are allowed in the first trimester for just about any reason. Late term abortions (after the first trimester) should only be allowed in cases of a victim of rape finding out too late that she is pregnant, when the mothers physical health is in danger, or in case that the infant is severly deformed and the mother opts not to continue the pregnancy.
Abortions (by law) after the first trimester should not be another form of birth control.
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 6, 2008 12:43:39 GMT -5
OK, thanks JMO. I'm going to ask you - If even one state infringes on the expressed, enumerated right to keep and bear arms as stated in the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, is that "one state too many?" If not, why not? Why wouldn't it be one state too many? Just wondering. A lot of people who support 'a womans right to choose" (notice how they never say choose what?) won't support her right to choose to buy a gun, or allow her the choice of just what gun to buy or how many she may buy at once or in a certain period of time. Personally, I favor VT style gun laws. If you are an honest citizen, you can buy anything you can afford. Can carry open or concealed, your choice. Just don't use them in the commission of a crime. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 13:03:15 GMT -5
I don't know if open carry would work in CA anyway, too many gangs and the racial hate crimes would escalate for sure.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 13:05:41 GMT -5
subdjoe,
you'd posted:
"Just wondering. A lot of people who support 'a womans right to choose" (notice how they never say choose what?) won't support her right to choose to buy a gun, or allow her the choice of just what gun to buy or how many she may buy at once or in a certain period of time."
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Well, surprise surprise! Not all people can be stereotyped! ;D
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 13:11:22 GMT -5
TNG, those stories are disturbing for sure which is why I am against late term abortion unless medically necessary!
I just read that the heartbeat begins somewhere between 18-21 days after conception, more disturbing details...
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 6, 2008 13:18:11 GMT -5
Ferrous, I agree with the following 100%:
"Abortions (by law) after the first trimester should not be another form of birth control."
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I would add that they shouldn't be used ever as birth control.
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 6, 2008 13:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by subdjoe on Sept 6, 2008 13:44:49 GMT -5
Might as well move the RKBA too.
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