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Post by Mink on Oct 17, 2008 19:28:56 GMT -5
Isn't that what's happening currently? Mccain isn't about to change the current policy and people are in financial stagnation and can't afford a plumber as it is. This Joe or Samuel character just didn't bring home the point.
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 17, 2008 19:31:21 GMT -5
Well, exalt number 20 TBD. Good post. I figured exalting you was more productive the smiting saunterelle. You won't whine about an exalt. Careful now... someone might think you were my cheerleader. ;D |
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 17, 2008 19:36:35 GMT -5
Isn't that what's happening currently? Mccain isn't about to change the current policy and people are in financial stagnation and can't afford a plumber as it is. This Joe or Samuel character just didn't bring home the point. What video have you been watching? "Joe the Plumber" publicly pantsed Barack in that exchange. He demonstrated very clearly what I've been saying all along.... the clothes have no emperor. He asked honest, to the point questions. Barack equivocated, then backstroked into socialist wonk speak to try and get out of it, making the point that "Joe" was trying to make in the first place... that Barack is going to raise taxes a helluva lot more than he has been letting on in his "plans". That should be very troubling to voters in the current economic climate.... at least to the ones that can actually remember back as far as the Carter presidency. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 17, 2008 19:49:18 GMT -5
Isn't that what's happening currently? Mccain isn't about to change the current policy and people are in financial stagnation and can't afford a plumber as it is. This Joe or Samuel character just didn't bring home the point. What video have you been watching? "Joe the Plumber" publicly pantsed Barack in that exchange. He demonstrated very clearly what I've been saying all along.... the clothes have no emperor. He asked honest, to the point questions. Barack equivocated, then backstroked into socialist wonk speak to try and get out of it, making the point that "Joe" was trying to make in the first place... that Barack is going to raise taxes a helluva lot more than he has been letting on in his "plans". That should be very troubling to voters in the current economic climate.... at least to the ones that can actually remember back as far as the Carter presidency. First, Joe or Samuel was dishonest to represent himself as a plumber, not to mention, he owes back taxes. Barack didn't change anything and is steadfast in saying from the get go that he will be taxing. Nothing new there. It is the phrase, "speading the wealth" that irritates some, but Bush spread the wealth as well, no? He spread the wealth to the the top 2-3 %, basically his crony friends and others like Clinton-likes, who just happen to fit in that bracket. What troubles me is that after every Republican admin., it takes a Democrat to fix the deficit and this time, it is a doozy. It ususally comes in the form of raising taxes. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 17, 2008 21:07:34 GMT -5
Remarkable...... you have absolutely no clue about what you are writing, yet you write it with such conviction.
But then thats what so much of the left is about, up to and including Barack... style over substance.
Barack has said repeatedly that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. That is a lie as 40% of Americans pay no income taxes. Yes, he has said that he intends to "tax the rich" and "greedy corporations", and those like you who gobble up the class warfare crap like hogs eating slop. But you completely misunderstand the point, and don't recognize that, ultimately, money is going to come out of your wallet to pay for it.
The 40% who don't pay income taxes, under Barack's "plan" get their earned income credit tripled. Woweee zoweee!!!! Free money from the government. Sure most of that money will be pumped into the economy from the bottom, but it's going to be taxed at higher rates once it gets there, hence what that 40% is going to buy will cost them more.
Those who actually understand basic economic principles get that, but in this cycle enough of them seem to be swayed by Barack's style that they are completely missing what is bound, by the laws of economics, to happen.
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Post by The New Guy on Oct 17, 2008 22:35:55 GMT -5
you guys make it sound like families everywhere are eating out of garbage bins. do you know ANYONE who is "finacially stagnant" to that point? of course you don't but you believe it is happening because you were told that. incredible!
it doesn't matter if joe is really sam or sam is really bob. it doesn't matter if sam, joe, and bob are plumber, carpenters, or carpet cleaners. the point is that obama is going to raise taxes. plain and simple. sure, he says it will only be on those who earn over 250k for now. wait until he figures out that the coffers will still be short (thanks to rampant pork projects in congress) and that he will then need to overtax those who make 200k...... then 175k..... etc., etc., etc.
clinton also promised a "middle class tax cut." do you remember what happened with that???
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Post by Mink on Oct 17, 2008 23:08:34 GMT -5
you guys make it sound like families everywhere are eating out of garbage bins. do you know ANYONE who is "finacially stagnant" to that point? of course you don't but you believe it is happening because you were told that. incredible! it doesn't matter if joe is really sam or sam is really bob. it doesn't matter if sam, joe, and bob are plumber, carpenters, or carpet cleaners. the point is that obama is going to raise taxes. plain and simple. sure, he says it will only be on those who earn over 250k for now. wait until he figures out that the coffers will still be short (thanks to rampant pork projects in congress) and that he will then need to overtax those who make 200k...... then 175k..... etc., etc., etc. clinton also promised a "middle class tax cut." do you remember what happened with that??? I actually do know people who have lost all their savings in the recent weeks, some who've lost substancial amounts of their retirement (these people were in good shape financially)....and yes, also people who are in dire straits that aren't eating. One lady in particular, a friend I've known most of my life, just lost her entire nest egg. She never had children, or got married. She worked many years and retired from Hewlett/Packard (Agilent), is on disability, reattending college and now is so bitter because after this lifetime of choices, she has nothing to look forward to except greeting people at Walmart. I have been volunteering at a local food bank in the last few years. In the beginning I watched as some walk in and grab a few items just for themselves. It then became families and these ones aren't poor. Both parents work and they have small children. I help organize the food and try and make sure it is distributed equally. I see the loads of food become smaller as more people look for ways to help ends meet. Unemployment is up, as is crime and more people need to go on programs they would never have dreamt they would ever need. Do you think these people will look Joe Schmoe up in the yellow pages? Where's the Draino?? |
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 19, 2008 19:27:19 GMT -5
I actually do know people who have lost all their savings in the recent weeks, some who've lost substancial amounts of their retirement (these people were in good shape financially)....and yes, also people who are in dire straits that aren't eating. One lady in particular, a friend I've known most of my life, just lost her entire nest egg. She never had children, or got married. She worked many years and retired from Hewlett/Packard (Agilent), is on disability, reattending college and now is so bitter because after this lifetime of choices, she has nothing to look forward to except greeting people at Walmart. Your friend must be really angry at Congress for failing to act before the subprime mortgage mess melted down and took most of our financial markets with it. Or, does she make that connection? |
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Post by The New Guy on Oct 19, 2008 19:30:43 GMT -5
i doubt it. i'm sure that she, just like mink, points the finger solely at bush. it's all his fault, of course. easier to point the finger of blame that look out for yourself, right?
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Post by Mink on Oct 19, 2008 21:45:06 GMT -5
Our friendship is not based around politics, so I don't know.
See post above.
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 19, 2008 23:20:09 GMT -5
Our friendship is not based around politics, so I don't know.
Maybe you could ask her. Or, even better, as an astute observer of the national scene, you could explain it to her. That way, she could focus her anger on the real culprits in this mess we have found ourselves in. |
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Post by The New Guy on Oct 20, 2008 9:39:15 GMT -5
for someone you claim to have "known" most of your life you really don't seem to "know" much about her at all.  is it possible you are inventing examples to fit your agenda much like joe biden?  |
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