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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 19:24:14 GMT -5
Subdjoe:
I have said before that this issue is one that I neither support or dislike, however after reading what you just posted in regards to proximity of schools/ school children, I see no problem with it.
Why would gun shop owners have an issue with this. It seems sensible and less of a hassle for them.
I think the point Subdjoe was making was that this is an easy way to ban gun stores. How many areas do NOT have schools within 5 miles? Then there is no threat of banning them. |
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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 19:28:25 GMT -5
Thank you for link surefire. The reason I bring up bush is because when you point fingers, it is only at these guys. When it comes to rights being taken, bush did it too. We still don't know if guns will be banned. I'm not pointing figures at Shrub because the idiot will be out of office soon. I'm more worried about the idiot about to take his place. I do not like super majorities, especially when run by loons (extreme left or extreme right). Obama, Reid, and especially Pelosi strike me as tin foil loons. I would raise equal concerns if we had three extreme right in control of all checks and balances. I think there should always be a check and balance (left and right working together) in place to prevent an extreme agenda. So you must have had a fit for the last 8 years becasue the neocons have just about ruined the country. He is adding to it be deregulating more before he leaves office. I understand you don't care for extremes, and these three have been looped into that category, but after the last 8 years, i doubt they will follow that course. We shall see. Anyway I think they will be too busy cleaning the mess of the neocons. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 2, 2008 19:29:12 GMT -5
I have said before that this issue is one that I neither support or dislike, however after reading what you just posted in regards to proximity of schools/ school children, I see no problem with it. Why would gun shop owners have an issue with this. It seems sensible and less of a hassle for them. Why drive honest shop owner out of business? And, no hassle at all for gun stores to be not too far from schools. The owners or clerks toss out the kids who shouldn't be in the store unattended. Pretty simple, isn't it? And, while he was supporting this legislation, he was pubicly AGAINST a bill that would have outlawed adult bookstores within 1000 FEET (roughly 1/5th of a mile) from schools and parks. His reasoning? It wasn't the business of government to regulate things like that. Yep, porn is fine right next to schools and parks, but God forbid a kid might see a gun. So, should we ban stores that sell liquor and/or tobacco from a like area Mink? The 5 mile, I mean. Seems those cause far more harm to kids than a gun shop would. Yeah. Move all the supermarkets, conveinence stores, etc. 5 miles from all schools and parks. It's for the children after all. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 2, 2008 19:42:12 GMT -5
I think the point Subdjoe was making was that this is an easy way to ban gun stores. How many areas do NOT have schools within 5 miles? Then there is no threat of banning them. If there is no real estate to put them, they are by default banned. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 2, 2008 19:50:44 GMT -5
I'm not pointing figures at Shrub because the idiot will be out of office soon. I'm more worried about the idiot about to take his place. I do not like super majorities, especially when run by loons (extreme left or extreme right). Obama, Reid, and especially Pelosi strike me as tin foil loons. I would raise equal concerns if we had three extreme right in control of all checks and balances. I think there should always be a check and balance (left and right working together) in place to prevent an extreme agenda. So you must have had a fit for the last 8 years becasue the neocons have just about ruined the country. He is adding to it be deregulating more before he leaves office. I understand you don't care for extremes, and these three have been looped into that category, but after the last 8 years, i doubt they will follow that course. We shall see. Anyway I think they will be too busy cleaning the mess of the neocons. The three stooges are going to make the "neocons" look like childs play. Only the extreme tinfoil left will be happy four years from now. Moderates (including the blue dog left), centralists, and the right are not going to recognize this as America. This may be hard for some to believe now, but if the first admendment is still intact 4 years from now (given the leadership, it could be severely infringed) we will have the ability to take bets on this in this forum. Of course if Pelosi & friends get their way, it may no longer be legal to post negative comments about their regime on a message board. |
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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 20:02:54 GMT -5
So you must have had a fit for the last 8 years becasue the neocons have just about ruined the country. He is adding to it be deregulating more before he leaves office. I understand you don't care for extremes, and these three have been looped into that category, but after the last 8 years, i doubt they will follow that course. We shall see. Anyway I think they will be too busy cleaning the mess of the neocons. The three stooges are going to make the "neocons" look like childs play. Only the extreme tinfoil left will be happy four years from now. Moderates (including the blue dog left), centralists, and the right are not going to recognize this as America. This may be hard for some to believe now, but if the first admendment is still intact 4 years from now (given the leadership, it could be severely infringed) we will have the ability to take bets on this in this forum. Of course if Pelosi & friends get their way, it may no longer be legal to post negative comments about their regime on a message board. You are getting extreme now. It was Bush who scared people from posting opinions. There is no doubt that Pelosi, Reed and Feinstein have detractors in their own party, but I think you are fearing the unknown and listening to too much fear from the right who are losing power. Mostly I think you fear the ban of guns, which is a legitimate fear, but as for the other things you mention, I'm not that convinced. |
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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 20:04:04 GMT -5
Then there is no threat of banning them. If there is no real estate to put them, they are by default banned. Beleive me, they will find the real estate. There is too much desire and money in it. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 2, 2008 20:06:15 GMT -5
The three stooges are going to make the "neocons" look like childs play. Only the extreme tinfoil left will be happy four years from now. Moderates (including the blue dog left), centralists, and the right are not going to recognize this as America. This may be hard for some to believe now, but if the first admendment is still intact 4 years from now (given the leadership, it could be severely infringed) we will have the ability to take bets on this in this forum. Of course if Pelosi & friends get their way, it may no longer be legal to post negative comments about their regime on a message board. You are getting extreme now. It was Bush who scared people from posting opinions. There is no doubt that Pelosi, Reed and Feinstein have detractors in their own party, but I think you are fearing the unknown and listening to too much fear from the right who are losing power. Mostly I think you fear the ban of guns, which is a legitimate fear, but as for the other things you mention, I'm not that convinced. Fascinating theory, except I don't listen to the right. I've reviewed most of their voting records. That should speak for itself. |
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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 20:07:09 GMT -5
I have said before that this issue is one that I neither support or dislike, however after reading what you just posted in regards to proximity of schools/ school children, I see no problem with it. Why would gun shop owners have an issue with this. It seems sensible and less of a hassle for them. Why drive honest shop owner out of business? And, no hassle at all for gun stores to be not too far from schools. The owners or clerks toss out the kids who shouldn't be in the store unattended. Pretty simple, isn't it? And, while he was supporting this legislation, he was pubicly AGAINST a bill that would have outlawed adult bookstores within 1000 FEET (roughly 1/5th of a mile) from schools and parks. His reasoning? It wasn't the business of government to regulate things like that. Yep, porn is fine right next to schools and parks, but God forbid a kid might see a gun. So, should we ban stores that sell liquor and/or tobacco from a like area Mink? The 5 mile, I mean. Seems those cause far more harm to kids than a gun shop would. Yeah. Move all the supermarkets, conveinence stores, etc. 5 miles from all schools and parks. It's for the children after all. I would have to look at the legislation in regards to the porn as I agree, that, and liquor stores should not be so close as well. That is one of the main reasons why we have such deplorable social issues. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 2, 2008 20:07:17 GMT -5
If there is no real estate to put them, they are by default banned. Beleive me, they will find the real estate. There is too much desire and money in it. Yeah... perhaps in the middle of rural Kansas, or Alaska. How many metro DMAs have lots of space without schools within 5 miles? I cannot name many. |
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Post by surefire on Nov 2, 2008 20:10:21 GMT -5
Why drive honest shop owner out of business? And, no hassle at all for gun stores to be not too far from schools. The owners or clerks toss out the kids who shouldn't be in the store unattended. Pretty simple, isn't it? And, while he was supporting this legislation, he was pubicly AGAINST a bill that would have outlawed adult bookstores within 1000 FEET (roughly 1/5th of a mile) from schools and parks. His reasoning? It wasn't the business of government to regulate things like that. Yep, porn is fine right next to schools and parks, but God forbid a kid might see a gun. So, should we ban stores that sell liquor and/or tobacco from a like area Mink? The 5 mile, I mean. Seems those cause far more harm to kids than a gun shop would. Yeah. Move all the supermarkets, conveinence stores, etc. 5 miles from all schools and parks. It's for the children after all. I would have to look at the legislation in regards to the porn as I agree, that, and liquor stores should not be so close as well. That is one of the main reasons why we have such deplorable social issues. Liquor stores should be checking licenses of anyone that looks under 40. If not, then fine the <bleep> out of them or send them packing. Don't punish a law abiding liquor store just because it is within 5 miles of a school. |
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Post by Mink on Nov 2, 2008 20:19:51 GMT -5
Because the thread is about Chicago, it makes sense to move the liquor away from the troubled area/s. At least make them sparce and possibly add more venues like Boys & Girls Clubs.
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