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Post by maxsawdust on Nov 12, 2008 20:05:40 GMT -5
THANKS FOR BRINGING UP -Sen. Barack Obama's vote to renew the Patriot Act,
His votes to continue to fund the Iraq war,
His backing of the FISA Reform Act
his support of the death penalty
his refusal to champion universal, single-payer not-for-profit health care for all Americans,
his call to increase troop levels and expand the war in Afghanistan,
his failure to call for a reduction in the bloated and wasteful defense spending
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his lobbying for the huge taxpayer swindle known as the bailout...
To which we could add his bellicose saber-rattling at Iran;
his promise to roll back 'Russian aggression' and extend war-triggering treaty protection to an aggressive Georgian regime
his advocacy of destabilizing and civilian-shredding military strikes in Pakistan,
his opposition to gay marriage (and campaigning with gay-bashing preachers),
and
his support for extending the death penalty to cover non-fatal offenses
Now take all of these policies of old "barry" and change the name to GWB and listen to your crying about them. Sucks when your boy voted in favor of all the shit you cry about...
But if "barry" says it...all is well.
Bush derangement plain and simple.
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Post by saunterelle on Nov 12, 2008 20:23:51 GMT -5
That's a serious stretch. It pains me to read Obama's name uttered in the same sentence as Bush, the worst President in recent history.
And you know full well that, because the American people were supporting the Bush Administration out of fear, the Democrats in the House and Senate HAD to sign on to the Patriot Act even though many disagreed with it.
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 12, 2008 20:35:35 GMT -5
HAD to sign it? HAD to? You mean that PRESIDENT Bush had the USSS put their with guns to the heads of every member of Congress and FORCED them to pass it?
OK, smite for the pure idiocy of your comment.
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Post by jgaffney on Nov 13, 2008 1:28:55 GMT -5
The smite won't make any difference. Saunterelle has been in deep negative territory for quite a while now.
In Saunterelle's behalf, it is difficult for most progressives to realize - or recall - that there was bipartisan support for the War on Terror up until the start of the 2004 election cycle. After voting to give Bush the authority to attack Iraq, an authority that was justified by a 1998 Senate resolution declaring regime change in Iraq to be the policy of the United States, most Democrats in Congress were appalled when Bush actually carried out his promise to overthrow Saddam.
Look how long it took Hillary to back away from her Iraq vote. Early in the Democrat primaries, she stood up and polished her defense bona fides by talking strongly on the Iraq war. It was only when the radical Left, led by MoveOn, funded by George Soros, made it known loud and clear that no Democrat would make it out of the primaries alive unless (s)he denounced the Iraq war. That set off a race to the bottom as each Democrat contender tried to out-pullout the others.
Obama saw this more quickly than the other contenders. He had an advantage in that he was not in the Senate in 2002 when the vote was held, so it was easy for him to say, "I wouldn't have voted for it." This is a rather hollow claim because it says nothing of the mood of the country in the fall of 2002, when the only ones voting against war in Iraq included players like Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders.
As Obama got closer to being elected, he started backing away from some of the absolute promises he made early in the campaign. He started with withdrawl by March 2009, then went to 16 months, and then settled on a firm "maybe," backed up by the judgements of the officers in the field.
Get used to it, Saunterelle, your boy is not going to come through for you. Not only will we probably still be in Iraq in some fashion when Obama is voted out of office in 2012, but any troops that he does withdraw will be reassigned to Afghanistan. We'll see how quickly the support erodes when body bags start coming home from Kabul. The PeeDee is already starting to run a separate tally for US War Deaths in Afghanistan. Pretty soon, they'll move it to the front page, like they used to do in 2003 and 2004.
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Post by jgaffney on Nov 13, 2008 1:33:24 GMT -5
All you give us is sky-is-falling fear mongering and fringe ideas.
Oh, how soon we forget the atrocities visited upon us by the radical Islamists. Saunterelle, did you read the news about the Taliban in Afghanistan stopping a bus and beheading 30 of the occupants? Oh, but they'd never do that here, right? al Qaeda does not care if you are liberal - oops, I mean "progressive" - or conservative. You are still an infidel and they have sworn to kill you. If you don't believe this, why don't you volunteer to accept one of those Gitmo detainees into your home? |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 13, 2008 13:16:50 GMT -5
If asserting the truth and backing it up with evidence is an attack then I am guilty. It is unfortunate that your stubbornness doesn't allow you to come to the same reasoned conclusion most of America has. Your logic which doesn't "allow" me to judge Bush is just silly. Had Bush been a great President, I would be the first to admit I was wrong about him. Sadly this is simply not the case. Those of us who could see his idiocy even before he was elected in 2000 were forced to sit idly by while he made a mockery of our great nation. If the measure of Obama's Presidency is simply that we don't have an attack on American soil, I think it's reasonable to predict that he will exceed your expectations. I, for one, will hold him to a much higher standard than that. For you to make that your measure of Bush shows just how low you will stoop to try and shine a bright light on a turd. Do you know what Bush's problem really was? He did not answer the never ending stream of hate and lies. History will prove this. |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 13, 2008 13:22:06 GMT -5
Whatever steps Obama takes after a domestic attack could not be any worse than Bush tearing our constitution to shreds with his "Patriot Act" and illegal wiretapping. PRESIDENT Bush did not write it. Nor did he debate it in Congressional Committee. Nor did he pass it overwhelmingly in both houses of Congress. He signed it into law. Legislative history Introduced in the House of Representatives as H.R. 3162 by Frank James Sensenbrenner, Jr. on October 23, 2001 Committee consideration by: United States House Committee on the Judiciary; Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; Committee on Financial Services; Committee on International Relations; Committee on Energy and Commerce (Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet); Committee on Education and the Workforce; Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure; Committee on Armed Services Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66) Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1) Signed into law by President Bush on October 26, 2001 Yeah, PRESIDENT Bush did it all on his own. Oh, but Bush lied and people died. Bush is stupid. Bush is the worst president in the History of Mankind. Hitler was less destructive then Bush. Stalin was a better leader then Bush. Bush tricked us. Bush did this, Bush did that. BUSH BUSH BUSH... Did I cover all of their boring, typical talking points? Democrats are never responsible for their votes. They always get tricked and never make mistakes. Obama is the second coming. Feinstein is fair and balanced and Woolsey equally represents all of her constituents. |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 13, 2008 13:23:29 GMT -5
Change is coming, change is coming... do you hear it jingling in your pocket? He told us we would get change. To bad that is all we will get.
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Post by maxsawdust on Nov 13, 2008 13:27:07 GMT -5
Why YES Bolverk, AFTER staying up ALL NIGHT to "Alter" the Iraq intelligence reports. To read how he needed them to read.
He got his Glock and headed over to the House of Reps, and one by one went through the room. Gun to the head of each member until the vote worked in his favor.
He did this EVERYTIME....
C'mon you know that...he altered documents and brandished firearms.
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Post by bolverk on Nov 13, 2008 13:27:33 GMT -5
That's a serious stretch. It pains me to read Obama's name uttered in the same sentence as Bush, the worst President in recent history. Until the next four years elapses. And you know full well that, because the American people were supporting the Bush Administration out of fear, the Democrats in the House and Senate HAD to sign on to the Patriot Act even though many disagreed with it. Thank you for pointing out that Democrats are incapable of standing on principles. Which is exactly why we have the worst tax system in the history of this nation. |
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 13, 2008 16:22:34 GMT -5
Had Bush been a great President, I would be the first to admit I was wrong about him. i damn near needed the heimlich manuever after reading that zinger! liberals are always concerned with how we look to others. this is not a popularity contest. prez bush remained focused on his job -to keep the citizens of this great nation safe. he was never worried about what france or spain thought of us. you guys always say how bush was the WORST PRESIDENT EVER. well, i ask you then, why was he a two termer? ---still waiting for the details of santurelle's excursions beyond the bay area.........  are they ever coming? has he ever gone farther than the number 72 bus will take him? does he know anything of the world other than what he reads on PD.com and sfgate.com? me wonders.... |
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Post by mink2 on Nov 13, 2008 17:04:04 GMT -5
TNG:
He was selected via two, back to back rigged elections botched by the infamous Rove.......remember Fl. & OH???
It is on the news nearly everyday that he is the worst president. I think he likes it!
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are they ever coming? has he ever gone farther than the number 72 bus will take him? does he know anything of the world other than what he reads on PD.com and sfgate.com? me wonders....
