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Post by subdjoe on Dec 2, 2008 19:25:20 GMT -5
I'm happy to see heckheckle back with us and I agree with him in that Obama will be trying to improve our country. In his speeches he has mentioned past presidents who have benefitted the country. Good ideas from the past combined with instrumental people in Obama's cabinet, we can't go wrong. Well Mink, Pres. Bush was and is trying to improve our Republic. And look at what you think of him and his policies. And you know what I think of Lincoln and his tyrannous reign. Lord help us if he truely uses Honest Abe as a role model. |
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Post by saunterelle on Dec 3, 2008 14:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 3, 2008 14:09:34 GMT -5
While it's a well written piece, the author is operating from the (flawed) assumption that the New Deal was an economic success. He also tries to dismiss with a tiny bit of rhetorical lipstick the entire root cause mechanism of the collapse of Fannie and Freddy....
The author completely and utterly ignores how Freddy and Fannie got there, which was not a result of privatization (which canard he uses to justify his entire argument), but rather through ham handed law and regulation forced on the industry by it's government overseers.
This is the fundemental difference between us Saunterelle. You seem to believe that government can fix any problem, while I can demonstrate with fact in evidence time and again that government causes the problem.
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Post by moondog on Dec 4, 2008 12:50:19 GMT -5
I have begun my research of the New Deal and Franklin D. Roosevelt. In my quest to learn the truth about this juggernaut of Democrat party, I have a book that reveals a lot about his policies and how they really affected true Americans. Like this man:
"Jacob Maged of Jersey City, NJ. After 22 years of running a successful small business pressing clothes, Maged's reputation was one of quality work at a reasonable cost. The NRA then demanded that he charge 40 cents to press a suit instead of 35 cents. He was sent to jail and given a $100 fine for refusing to increase his prices."
Does that sound like the policies of the man the Democrats call the savior of America with the New Deal. Well, the title of the book is New Deal or Raw Deal, by Professor Burton W, Folsom, Jr. and the reviews are awesome.
I plan on purchasing this book so I can read about the 100% tax that was put in play by FDR on all earnings over $25,000. Sounds like a Democrat plan to me. Too bad he was shot down by Congress eh saunterelle? His NRA was found unconstitutional. In fact, much of the things FDR did are hidden from the public, as the Democrats do not want to tarnish his image or theirs it appears.
I leave you with the words of Sir Walter E. Williams, John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, George Mason University: "History books and politicians in both parties sing the praises for Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidency and its measures to get America out of the Great Depression. What goes unappreciated is the fact that many of those measures exacerbated and extended the economic downturn of the 1930s. New Deal or Raw Deal? is a careful documentation and analysis of those measures that allows us to reach only one conclusion: While President Roosevelt was a great man in some respects, his economic policy was a disaster. What's worse is that public ignorance of those policy failures has lent support for similar policies in later years. Professor Burt Folsom has produced a highly readable book and has done a yeoman's job in exposing the New Deal."
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Post by moondog on Dec 15, 2008 12:13:41 GMT -5
After some extensive reading, I do not understand how this man can be considered one of the best Presidents of our history. He nearly destroyed this country. His abuse of power is astounding in comparison to what we see today. I would have to say that from what I have read so far, his was by far the most corrupt administration to ever grace the White House.
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 15, 2008 12:19:42 GMT -5
After some extensive reading, I do not understand how this man can be considered one of the best Presidents of our history. He nearly destroyed this country. His abuse of power is astounding in comparison to what we see today. I would have to say that from what I have read so far, his was by far the most corrupt administration to ever grace the White House. Moondog, are you talking about FDR or Honest Abe? Now THERE was a power hungry, racist dictator. |
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Post by jgaffney on Dec 15, 2008 12:33:49 GMT -5
FDR was a terrific speaker, and arrived at a time when the people were yearning for hope. FDR gave them that hope, but little else. His socialistic programs may have put people back to work, but they (the programs) prolonged the economic malaise that was gripping the country. If it hadn't been for World War II, the Great Depression would have gone on for another ten years or so.
Does any of this sound familiar? Our current president-in-waiting is a great orator, and instills hope in those poor souls who have lost hope. Beyond that, however, his programs are either socialistic or vapid. In the computer industry, that's called "VaporWare."
Case in point: The Obama promises a great economic stimulus that will put people back to work rebuilding the infrastructure of the country. Now, in the 30s, you could issue a cattle call and get thousands of men to work on a road or bridge. They'd all bring a shovel or a wheelbarrow, live in a tent city, and build something like Hoover Dam or a local library. How many people here see that happening in the 21st Century? With the current labor laws, unions and federal requirements, the ones who will go back to work are the ones who are already in the construction industry. How will the stimulus reach beyond that crowd?
"Yes We Can" is quickly turning into "No We Can't."
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Post by moondog on Dec 15, 2008 13:07:03 GMT -5
After some extensive reading, I do not understand how this man can be considered one of the best Presidents of our history. He nearly destroyed this country. His abuse of power is astounding in comparison to what we see today. I would have to say that from what I have read so far, his was by far the most corrupt administration to ever grace the White House. Moondog, are you talking about FDR or Honest Abe? Now THERE was a power hungry, racist dictator. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the dictator. From what I have read so far, he was not a very intelligent man when it came to economics. But in politics, he was a very shrewd man. In fact, the damage he did to this nation was astounding, and all done in the name of re-election. His makes Lincoln's Presidency look like a cake walk. |
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Post by moondog on Dec 15, 2008 13:09:49 GMT -5
FDR was a terrific speaker, and arrived at a time when the people were yearning for hope. FDR gave them that hope, but little else. His socialistic programs may have put people back to work, but they (the programs) prolonged the economic malaise that was gripping the country. If it hadn't been for World War II, the Great Depression would have gone on for another ten years or so. Does any of this sound familiar? Our current president-in-waiting is a great orator, and instills hope in those poor souls who have lost hope. Beyond that, however, his programs are either socialistic or vapid. In the computer industry, that's called "VaporWare." Case in point: The Obama promises a great economic stimulus that will put people back to work rebuilding the infrastructure of the country. Now, in the 30s, you could issue a cattle call and get thousands of men to work on a road or bridge. They'd all bring a shovel or a wheelbarrow, live in a tent city, and build something like Hoover Dam or a local library. How many people here see that happening in the 21st Century? With the current labor laws, unions and federal requirements, the ones who will go back to work are the ones who are already in the construction industry. How will the stimulus reach beyond that crowd? "Yes We Can" is quickly turning into "No We Can't." Without bringing Obama into the picture, I can honestly say that Roosevelt did not put people back to work, at all. Except in states that were considered to be on the fence with his election or backing the Republican party. It was just a ruse to win re-election. The states that voted Democrat regardless, actually got less help in the employment arena. History proves this little fact. |
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Post by moondog on Dec 15, 2008 13:36:32 GMT -5
Here are some names for you folks to look into.
Everyone remembers Huey Long, right? How about William Randolph Hearst? Or Father Charles Coughlin? Roosevelt abused his power in an attempt to ruin these men, using the IRS to dig into their finances without just cause and the post master general to monitor their mail.
Look into the name Enoch "Nucky" Johnson, the political boss of Atlantic City and the name Frank Hague, the political boss of Jersey City. These are some interesting case studies of the abuse of Roosevelt's power. Frank Hague made Huey Long look like a saint, yet Huey went ot prison for three years and Roosevelt intervened in the desire of the IRS to prosecute Frank Hauge.
These are just a small sample of the names that Roosevelt used abuse of his political power against. Roosevelt was in fact nothing short of a dictator, when you start to understand his methods and goals. He did more damage to this nation with his time as President then any other individual in the history of this great country.
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Post by The Big Dog on Dec 15, 2008 15:32:33 GMT -5
Points of historical order...
Huey P. Long never spent a day in prison. He was shot to death in the halls of the Louisiana State Capitol in Baton Rouge in 1935.
Frank Hague was mayor of Jersey City from 1917 to 1947 and also vice-chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 1924 through 1949. In the latter role he would have been virtually untouchable by FDR or anyone else. He had supported Al Smith in 1932 initially but swung to FDR once the nomination had been decided. His reward was a steady stream of federal projects and dollars throughout the Depression.
Nucky Johnson, on the other hand, was a Republican and he indeed went to prison in 1941 and did a four year bit for income tax evasion.
If you dig into it deep enough you find that Hague and Johnson were closely tied together in many political deals, even though they supported opposite sides of the aisle. Seems that the pursuit of money and power can transcend just about anything.
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Post by moondog on Dec 15, 2008 16:13:35 GMT -5
Points of historical order... Huey P. Long never spent a day in prison. He was shot to death in the halls of the Louisiana State Capitol in Baton Rouge in 1935. Frank Hague was mayor of Jersey City from 1917 to 1947 and also vice-chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 1924 through 1949. In the latter role he would have been virtually untouchable by FDR or anyone else. He had supported Al Smith in 1932 initially but swung to FDR once the nomination had been decided. His reward was a steady stream of federal projects and dollars throughout the Depression. Nucky Johnson, on the other hand, was a Republican and he indeed went to prison in 1941 and did a four year bit for income tax evasion. If you dig into it deep enough you find that Hague and Johnson were closely tied together in many political deals, even though they supported opposite sides of the aisle. Seems that the pursuit of money and power can transcend just about anything. You are correct, I mis-spoke, Huey Long was convicted and sentenced to three years, but was assassinated before serving his sentence. |
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