FDR, New Deal.

[The Big Dog]

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Could you kindly provide a link establishing a criminal conviction for Huey Long? There was an IRS investigation of him (at FDR's behest) in 1934, but he was never tried or convicted on that. A couple of his people were charged but not Huey.

Thank you kindly.

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[moondog]

That is not really thread drift. It is a legitimate question.

As I have said, I have been reading quite a bit about the New Deal Era. Since this is a new thing for me to be reading about, I have made some small mistakes. Long was assassinated, five months after a State Rep Joseph Fisher was convicted, he got 18 months.

Since I have been jamming this book down, trying to absorb the information, I have made some minor errors in my statements. The real point is to show that a Political Machine was in place in federal government, which was not justly wielded against people in power. Huey P. Long was indeed corrupt, but that did not necessarily justify an IRS investigation without proof, which is what happened.

With Frank Hauge, on the other hand, there was more then speculation that he was breaking the law. In fact, he bragged about being the person to see for political jobs that were created in the New Deal. He was far more corrupt the Huey P. Long, but he was protected by FDR. That is the point.

Heck, FDR even had Andrew Mellon investigated. It was a waste of money though, since Mellon was not only smarter then FDR, he was smarter then anyone in the IRS and kept his books in immaculate order. The investigation fell flat on its face. And it was all done to discredit Mellon because he had a sound economic belief in what would bring recovery to this nation, but FDR did not care about recovery, he cared about votes and so called fairness.

Hamilton Fish endured the same treatment or worse. He was investigated twice by the IRS and acquitted both times after enduring years of FDR's abusive tactics. FDR hated Fish, according to most reports, and wanted him out of office because he kept winning his seat back. He even launched an FBI investigation of Fish through J. Edgar Hoover for "subversive activities." He eventually got Fish out of office by gerrymandering his district, after the investigation failed.

There are so many people who were affected by the actions of FDR that I can not keep track of all the dates and times and sentences in my head. So, I brought the source with me this time. It is really striking to me, the number of investigations that went on and the reasons they were carried on.

[moondog]

Wow, further reading has revealed something I never even considered. The Depression did not end during WWII or FDR's Presidency. It was slowed a bit, do to the productivity of the war, but when the soldiers were returning home the economy was able to absorb them and put them to work. But this was not because of FDR's policies, which he had to ignore during the war, but because Harry S. Truman was trusted by business and he did not increase a single tax while he was in office.

[subdjoe]

Harry S (no period after that S) was likely the last honest president we had. Tough minded sunnovabeach too.

[moondog]

Dec 24, 2008 16:18:10 GMT -5 subdjoe said:

Harry S (no period after that S) was likely the last honest president we had. Tough minded sunnovabeach too.

There seems to be a "." after the S in ever iteration I have found online, even on his official Harry S. Truman Library and Musem Website. Even though his middle name is S it seems to always be spelled with an S. when it is written out.

Weird. I once knew a man, a father of a friend, who had a first name of O.

[subdjoe]

I know. But his bio or autobio (don't remeber which) had him stressing that there was no period. His middle name is "S". Here from wikipedia: " His parents chose "S" as his middle name, in attempt to please both of Harry's grandfathers, Anderson Shippe Truman and Solomon Young; the initial did not actually stand for anything, as was a common practice among Scots-Irish"

[moondog]

Cool, I will never put a period after the S again, unless I am abbreviating his middle name,

[heckheckle]

No, NG, You didn't scare me off. You think way too much of yourself... Well Big Dog, I have to jump in here to show evidence that FDR got the Country rolling again. The proof is that I got a Job in the NYA. It was a good job that taught me things in my work that lasted a lifetime. Thats all the evidence you need. If you want more you should ask people who lived through the rough times then, and a Job was the most important thing to give men a purpose, something to be proud of. Don't ask your republican friends because they will deny jobs were
what got the country rolling, even though they got jobs from the WPA too.

Do you advocate someone like Bushy Boy bailing this country out of the DEPRESSION we are in? Hell man, he got us there.

[The Big Dog]

Your personal experience Heck, while evidentiary, is solely your personal experience. Both my parents and my grandparents, as well as my wife's grandparents, lived through the Great Depression. When my maternal grandfather's Santa Cruz ranch was in trouble in the early 30's he took a job driving a truck loaded with produce intended for the docks in San Francisco. More than once he had to defend himself from union thugs during the dock wars in the Bay Area.

The history is all very clear and very well documented Heck. Unemployment was just as high in 1939 as it was in 1930. Times were just as tough. Putting the country on a war footing, and becoming the "Arsenal of Democracy" in 1940-42 is what really put the country back to work.

And in response to your final broadside, Mr. Bush's bailing out the country is tantamount and eerily similar to what Hoover (a Republican Progressive) and later FDR (a Democrat Progressive) did. And it's exactly what Barack and Madame Speaker are proposing with thier massive "stimulus" programs. I don't support the unrestricted socialism and nationalization that the Bush Administration is peddling. All they are doing is kicking the can down the road by a matter of a few months, in some cases.

I don't advocate that at all. If you actually read what people posted instead of spewing your rambling recollections of "the good old days", you wouldn't make such a ridiculous comment.

[moondog]

I would like to ask you two things heckheckle.

Do you think it is right for the government to set prices and then put people in jail for charging less then the government mandated pricing? Especially if following the government pricing will close the business.

Do you think it is right for a politician to send government jobs programs only to states that can swing an election into your direction?

[heckheckle]

::)BD: I don't have to update my knowledge of History. I am the History. I was there. I saw the activity first hand. Look at the old bridges that are still being used,they have stamped on them 1934. I saw the Highways being built. I saw so many grown men
nearly cry from getting a good job, and getting their self respect back. My Brother-in-Law would tell anyone who was interested, that he was a Democrat, because they gave him a job. I was a little younger, and got a job in a fully equiped Machine Shop. I
worked under the NYA. Everyone was doing useful work. I learned a lot from the old German Foreman. He taught useful work that I use to this day.

Obama will do lots of the same USEFUL building as FDR did. I can't blame you and some of your friends that don't know anything about the big depression. It's not your fault. Who knew we would be talking about it on this Forum?

[heckheckle]

::)Sorry to disappoint you, NG, but I don't care what you do on this forum. I had other things to do, thats why I left. I don't doubt that I will leave again when something important comes up. I see by the posts from others that they find me if the want to. You think too much about your own importance.

I would like to see more Posts from Mink 2. She knows how to talk.