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Post by subdjoe on Dec 5, 2008 1:06:35 GMT -5
. How would you feel if a neighborhood hung swastikas on their front doors? . Depending on just how they were displayed I might think they were buddhist or native american. On the other hand if they were to display: Gules, on a plate, an equiarmed fylfot, reversed ,sable (you can look up the heraladic terms yourself, time you did SOME research) I would make the assumption that they were either militaria collectors, white supremicisits, or progressives making a statement about American politics. |
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Post by surefire on Dec 5, 2008 9:13:38 GMT -5
. How would you feel if a neighborhood hung swastikas on their front doors? . Depending on just how they were displayed I might think they were buddhist or native american. On the other hand if they were to display: Gules, on a plate, an equiarmed fylfot, reversed ,sable (you can look up the heraladic terms yourself, time you did SOME research) I would make the assumption that they were either militaria collectors, white supremicisits, or progressives making a statement about American politics. LOL! ;D |
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Post by saunterelle on Dec 5, 2008 11:14:00 GMT -5
You're helping prove my point. Since MOST people see swastikas as a symbol of Nazi genocide, and rainbows as symbol of gay pride, isn't it logical to think that most people also see the Confederate flag as a symbol of slavery/racism?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a large part of what the South was fighting for was to keep their slaves. That flag, to many people, represents that fight and desire.
The fact that Georgia had it as part of their state flag until 2003 when they were pressured into removing it is just unbelievable to me.
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Post by moondog on Dec 5, 2008 13:23:10 GMT -5
Thank you subdjoe for the link to Southern Heritage 411. I really liked this quote from their site:
"Southern Heritage 411 Inc. is a corporation founded to inform the public about Southern Heritage from the perspective of the hundreds of thousands of black people who love and support the South, its people, its customs, and its history.
"The President of "Southern Heritage 411" is H.K. Edgerton, a black Confederate activist who works tirelessly to bring the real truth of our heritage to people of all races. H.K. Edgerton has walked thousands of miles carrying his large Confederate Battle Flag through cities and towns and down country roads. He speaks at venues all over the South exposing the many myths of Yankee history and setting the record straight regarding blacks role in the history of the South.
"H.K. Edgerton and Southern Heritage 411 strive to illuminate the truth as it pertains to the relationships and experiences of blacks and whites in the South as they have struggled together to maintain the principles of a limited, democratic and representative government as espoused by America's founding fathers."
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Post by moondog on Dec 5, 2008 15:02:42 GMT -5
subdjoe, that site is a gold mine of information. I really like the quotes by Charles Dickens: "The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern States." Dickens goes on to say "...Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means the loss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the root of this as of many other evils... The quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel." And the quote by Northern British Review, Edinburgh, 1862, "...All Northern products are now protected: and the Morrill Tariff is a very masterpiece of folly and injustice. No wonder then that the citizens of the seceding States should feel for half a century they have sacrificed to enhance the powers and profits of the North; and should conclude, after much futile remonstrance, that only in secession could they hope to find redress." And lastly the quote of the passage written by John Reagan, Postmaster General of the Confederacy. "You are not content with the vast millions of tribute we pay you annually under the operation of our revenue laws, our navigation laws, your fishing bounties, and by making your people our manufacturers, our merchants, our shippers. You are not satisfied with the vast tribute we pay you to build up your great cities, your railroads, and your canals. You are not satisfied with the millions of tribute we have been paying you on account of the balance of exchange, which you hold against us. You are not satisfied that we of the South are almost reduced to the condition of overseers of northern capitalists. You are not satisfied with all this; but you must wage a relentless crusade against our rights." It really spells out what the cause of the War Between the States was. Sourthern Heritage 411 True History |
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Post by barneyfife on Dec 5, 2008 18:54:47 GMT -5
Whoops, I meant the Confederate flag So can this logic be applied to things like: Flying the Cuban Flag in an Obama campaign office. Che Guevarra image on said flag? Red and Yellow Hammer and Sicle bandied about by Obama supporters? And "Enlightened Progressives" in general. A great MANY MORE Atrocities happened under these flags than EVER did under the Confederate flag. But I imagine those don't count? |
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 5, 2008 19:09:37 GMT -5
You're helping prove my point. Since MOST people see swastikas as a symbol of Nazi genocide, and rainbows as symbol of gay pride, isn't it logical to think that most people also see the Confederate flag as a symbol of slavery/racism? MOST people see the rainbow as a symbol of gay pride? Where the hell did you dig that up? So Rev. Jacksons Rainbow Coalition was a gay pride group? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a large part of what the South was fighting for was to keep their slaves. That flag, to many people, represents that fight and desire. You are so wrong it isn't funny. The major reason for secession was the enormous tax burden placed on the south by the large poplulation, industrial northern states. And the protective tariffs in place for the benefit of those northern industrialists. See what Moondog posted. Slavery was on its way out in the south as well as in the north, it likely would have been gone by about 1890 if Lincoln hadn't invaded the south. Somehow every other nation managed to get rid of slavery without resorting to the bayonet, but Lincoln had to use it as a tool to win his unconstitutional war. The fact that Georgia had it as part of their state flag until 2003 when they were pressured into removing it is just unbelievable to me.
Care to address any of our points rather than just spewing your feelings about things? |
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Post by subdjoe on Dec 5, 2008 19:14:11 GMT -5
Thanks Moondog. I rather like it myself. You might also want to check out: dixieoutfitters.com/both the Southern History and Heritage News sections are good, if a bit polemic. What I find interesting about Mr. Edgerton is that the ACLU, NAACP and similar groups keep trying to silence him or ridcule and marginalize him. Seems that they only like tame blacks that toe the party line of victimhood. |
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