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Post by Mink on Aug 23, 2008 14:18:30 GMT -5
So, the choice has been made and I am pleased. I always liked Sen. Biden and as every politician isn't perfect, he's well respected, well known and a perfect source for Obama. www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92NPRAO0&show_article=1 WASHINGTON (AP) - Barack Obama selected Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware late Friday night to be his vice presidential running mate, according to a Democratic official, balancing his ticket with an older congressional veteran well-versed in foreign and defense issues. Biden, who has twice sought the White House, is a Catholic with blue-collar roots, a generally liberal voting record and a reputation as a long-winded orator. Across more than 30 years in the Senate, he has served at various times not only as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, but also as head of the Judiciary Committee, with its jurisdiction over anti-crime legislation and Constitutional issues. ____________________________________________ Go Obama/Biden!! |
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Post by harpman1 on Aug 23, 2008 14:32:10 GMT -5
I'm glad Obama picked someone who is clean & articulate.
Oops! I got the two of them reversed!
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Post by Mink on Aug 23, 2008 14:36:06 GMT -5
Actually, they are both clean and articulate! Yes, what a change this shall be  |
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 23, 2008 16:52:27 GMT -5
Have you ever listened to Barry when he tries to talk without his notes? Articulate? Um. ah, you know, ah, I really, and let me preface this, i'm talking about when he doesn't, you konw, have a whole long speech prepared and memeorized, am not all that sure he is all thate really articulate.
As I said in another thread, kind of interesting that Barry "Change" Obama picked a full time career machine politician as a running mate. How dedicated to change is he?
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Post by jgaffney on Aug 23, 2008 16:57:37 GMT -5
How can this be a change when Obama picks a man with over 30 years in the Senate?
Actually, Biden brings so much baggage, it'll be keeping us busy for weeks. That's the trouble with trying to nominate someone out of the Senate: his record is on display for everyone to see, both the good and the bad parts. Senators are not executives, they are debaters. If one stays there long enough, one becomes a Master Debater.
I'll try to come up with a list of the last effective president who came up through the Senate. Right now, the only one I can think of is Kennedy (John, not Ted). Governors make better presidents because they have executive experience.
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Post by harpman1 on Aug 23, 2008 17:17:44 GMT -5
The "clean & articulate" line is from Joe Biden.
He was describing Obama.
Oops.
Joe's mouth will lose these two the election.
Thank God!
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Post by Mink on Aug 23, 2008 21:44:19 GMT -5
Have you ever listened to Barry when he tries to talk without his notes? Articulate? Um. ah, you know, ah, I really, and let me preface this, i'm talking about when he doesn't, you konw, have a whole long speech prepared and memeorized, am not all that sure he is all thate really articulate. As I said in another thread, kind of interesting that Barry "Change" Obama picked a full time career machine politician as a running mate. How dedicated to change is he? Those "um's" ,""ah's" from Obama may appear as unprepared, however, the mind is thinking.......not making up words or misprounciations, which was acceptable to some since the year 2000- knowing that we had an ex-cocaine user/alcoholic who was still so pickled, the words sounded like they were still slurred. Anyone who can memorize a speech should be given credit as opposed to someone who is constantly looking down at notes. I'm sure you guys will pick this team apart since that is what the Republican machine is so good at. You will also defend the mistakes and bad policies of the right, while pointing the finger is where the action is on the left. It keeps the focus off of the real problem/s. Like I said earlier in the thread, no politician is perfect. Obama made a good choice in Biden~ |
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Post by crossride on Aug 23, 2008 22:15:47 GMT -5
Those "um's" ,""ah's" from Obama may appear as unprepared, however, the mind is thinking.......not making up words or misprounciations, which was acceptable to some since the year 2000- knowing that we had an ex-cocaine user/alcoholic who was still so pickled, the words sounded like they were still slurred. Anyone who can memorize a speech should be given credit as opposed to someone who is constantly looking down at notes. I'm sure you guys will pick this team apart since that is what the Republican machine is so good at. You will also defend the mistakes and bad policies of the right, while pointing the finger is where the action is on the left. It keeps the focus off of the real problem/s. Like I said earlier in the thread, no politician is perfect. Obama made a good choice in Biden~ Mink, do you realize you are actually agreeing with subdjoe about Obama's hesitations in speaking? I don't really understand if you are trying to spin it or what, you really don't make sense. Making up mispronunciations? That's a skill, I would think  Now before I talk more about the speaking of Obama, I have to say something. You don't like the President? Okay, fine. State your facts and move on. Throwing out crap about still being pickled is a bottom of the barrell slam and tells me so much about you. Before you go ripping me for being a Bushie... don't. You don't know that so don't embarass yourself by assuming. Okay, back to Obama. Hesitation in speech as personified by Obama is not a good reflection of memorization. If that were the case there would be no umms and aahhhs. Those are signals that the speaker is searching for what to say. Its not effective speaking at all, and supports what has been said about Obama all along: The man can make a great speech but that's about all he's got. Read up up human behavior and you will understand what I'm saying. I'm not making an accusation here, but... in my professional training, I learned that such hesitations in speech were indicators of lying and... guilt  |
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Post by Mink on Aug 23, 2008 23:41:34 GMT -5
Crossride, I realize this is your opinion and I appreciate it, however, is misinterpreted, not that I am criticising you.
I don't agree with subdjoe's assumtion that "um's" and "ah's" make for an inarticulate speaker, but I am suggesting that deep thought comes out of Obama's unacceptable speech pattern. Unlike bush , who yes, I have no respect for, has no talent for speaking, let alone being presidential.....and has let the country down in many respects.
I never assumed you are an obcessed bushite, however will make no acception for one who defends an idiot either, as in my opinion, misprounciations on a regular basis don't belong in this particular office.....maybe on a comedy show, it could be humorous.
As for Obama's reaching for the correct answer/s and using "um's" and "ah's" in an unrehearsed situation, doesn't portray a liar. He may need some speech lessons, but if this is being used as criteria, many shall be deemed hypocrites.
As for guilt, he doesn't have enough experience to be guilty, no?
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Post by crossride on Aug 24, 2008 0:36:34 GMT -5
No Mink, deep thoughts are not the reason for the hesitation. It simply is searching for the next word. There can be several reasons for the searching but deep thought is not one. But nice spin. I suppose if Obama mispronounces a word you'll have some good spin for that since you've nailed Bush so often for it? Of course you'd also have good spin if Obama had chosen Joe Camel as VP... its just the way you are! Yes, Obama has no experience, but he still may have plenty to be guilty about in his pre-Senator life. But with Biden, he gains a man with a wealth of experience in the very congress we have seen is not looked upon with high regard. Good job, Obama!
Are you really happy about Biden being the choice? Who would you have wanted to see?
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Post by subdjoe on Aug 24, 2008 8:48:53 GMT -5
Mink wrote: "I don't agree with subdjoe's assumtion that "um's" and "ah's" make for an inarticulate speaker"
First, it doesn't matter if you do or don't agree, it does make a speaker inarticulate. Second, you make that assumption for Bush and McCain, why not for Barry? Double standard again?
Mink wrote; "but I am suggesting that deep thought comes out of Obama's unacceptable speech pattern."
So one person can stammer and stutter and um and ah, and that shows deep thougth. Another does it and it shows he is an idiot. Mink, Barry does give a wonderful talk IF he is saying something he has said thousands of times and/or is well rehersed at. But he stammers, stutters, and LOOKS and SOUNDS lost when he has to face a siutation where he actually has to think on his feet. His eyes actually get an almost paniced look about them. McCain seems at his best when talking off the cuff, yeah, he sometimes fluffs words, everyone does. If Barry did it as infrequently as McCain does I wouldn't be jumping on him about it. But Barry (I'd call him Barry-Boy, the way I called Reagan Ronny-boy, but I'm sure that the progressives here would make the baseless, kneejerk claim that I'm a racist because I used the word 'boy' in connection with a [6%] black man) LOOKS and sounds lost when he has to deviate from his rehersed lines.
And again your double standard is showing, if a Republican is slow to answer he must be trying to come up with a lie, if Barry is slow to answer he is being thoughtful. And nice that you cut him slack and say he needs speech lesson, but won't do the same for a Republican.
As for the mispronunciations by Bush (who by the way is NOT running for office), many of those, since they are consistant, seem to be the recieved pronunciation and regionalisms that he learned while growing up. The most attacked is his pronunciation of 'nuclear' as 'nucular', which you will often hear in recordings and films from the late 40s and 50s. I was even hearing it into the early 70s that way. Heck, one of the docents/tour guides at San Onofre started his talk with a quick pronunciation lesson. I think that was early 70s. Others it is pretty clear that he is editing in his mind what he was saying while is saying it and tries to substitute one word of another and gets them smushed together.
One more thing, you and all the other progressives (is that still the term you are using this month? Or has it changed again?) keep doing is assuming that Barry (if he gets the nomination, I have a feeling that the DNC machine may pull a surprise at the convention and pick Hill) will be running against Bush. Bush isn't running. He can't . I have a feeling that in 2012 the Dems will STILL be running against that idiotic evil genius, George W. Bush.
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Post by The New Guy on Aug 24, 2008 13:50:06 GMT -5
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Now before I talk more about the speaking of Obama, I have to say something. You don't like the President? Okay, fine. State your facts and move on. Throwing out crap about still being pickled is a bottom of the barrell slam and tells me so much about you. Before you go ripping me for being a Bushie... don't. You don't know that so don't embarass yourself by assuming.
