Obama's VP Choice

[Mink]

Aug 24, 2008 0:36:34 GMT -5 crossride said:

Are you really happy about Biden being the choice? Who would you have wanted to see?

I never though Hillary would work although I like her and Bill. They have too much baggage, so yes I am happy with Biden.

[The New Guy]

another great speech here...

note in the beginning how he mentions his flaws including mispronunciations, etc.

then, if you've got the guts, listen to the rest of the speech. i guarantee you that obama will never make a speech with such conviction, such expression of sincerity, and even show of emotion.



you don't hate GWB for the things he does or says or even his courage of conviction, mink. you have a deep-seated hatred for the man because you were told to hate him by the DNC and your progressive handlers. it is truly sad that you cannot see beyond this blind hatred; not even for the sake of your country.

[ferrous]

Aug 23, 2008 16:57:37 GMT -5 jgaffney said:

I'll try to come up with a list of the last effective president who came up through the Senate. Right now, the only one I can think of is Kennedy (John, not Ted). Governors make better presidents because they have executive experience.

Lyndon B. Johnson - Probably the most effective persident in modern era politics.

His Great Society was the push for Democrats to get out from beneath their old KKK ways and push for civil rights laws, Medicare (health care for the elderly), Medicaid (health care for the poor), aid to education, and the "War on Poverty."

His effectivness stemed from the fact that he held so many favors from his time in the House and Senate.

Obama brings nothing of this to the ticket and it will play out if Biden holds any chips that he could use in swaying congressional votes.

[Mink]

Ferrous: "you don't hate GWB for the things he does or says or even his courage of conviction, mink. you have a deep-seated hatred for the man because you were told to hate him by the DNC and your progressive handlers. it is truly sad that you cannot see beyond this blind hatred; not even for the sake of your country."
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What's even sadder is that you truly believe your own false conclusion, Ferrous.
BTW, for the sake of the country, why don't you look past your own nose and see bush's timeline of blunders, bumbling policies and lies. Maybe you' ll understand the reason those who have actually listen to Obama and have something to hope for. Biden is a perfect choice as VP.

[ferrous]

Ah yes, Se. Joe Biden...

Biden is a long-time member of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary, which he chaired from 1987 until 1995 and served as ranking minority member from 1981 until 1987 and again from 1995 until 1997. In this capacity, he dealt with issues related to drug policy, crime prevention, and civil liberties. While chairman, Biden presided over two of the most contentious Supreme Court confirmation hearings: Robert Bork in 1987 and Clarence Thomas in 1991.

Thomas Clarence, "denied all allegations of sexual harassment and sexual impropriety by Hill and the others. Of the committee's investigation of the accusations, Thomas said: "This is not an opportunity to talk about difficult matters privately or in a closed environment. This is a circus. It's a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the U.S. Senate rather than hung from a tree."

Anyone still remember those hearing. If memory serves me correct, it was Biden and Orin Hatch that were constantly going after one another.

"As Sen. Hatch began his questioning of Judge Thomas following Judge Thomas' opening statement, Sen. Hatch and committee chairman Biden exchanged sharp words concerning the introduction of Professor Hill's affidavit into testimony. The committee recessed for five minutes, and reemerged to state it would delay questioning Judge Thomas and would hear testimony from Professor Hill. "

cti.itc.virginia.edu/~ybf2u/Thomas-Hill/timeline.html

[ferrous]

Hey Mink, maybe you should check your medications. You seem to be overly confused today??? Even more so from your regular incoherency

I haven't noticed today (or any other day) where I have assumed the identity of The New Guy.

Hey New Guy, you haven't felt any paranormal or out of body experience recently, have you?

BTW. carefull of calling 911 and reporting a family member in an agitaed mental state, and please have family members put away all sharpe objects.

[Mink]

I'm not on meds and not that old and very much healthy Ferrous. What is your excuse......leaning on TNG for support, heh?

You probably won't vote Obama/Biden, but you are sure trying to degrade the team. At least the Democrats have one ;D

[ferrous]

I was refering to medication in the hopes that there was a physical reason or cause to explain your inane stupidity (ie: incoherence.)

To idle onlookers, it could appear that I'm looking a bit foolish arguing with this clown.

[Mink]

Ferrous: "To idle onlookers, it could appear that I'm looking a bit foolish arguing with this clown."

Likewise!

[jgaffney]

Rather than throw gas on that catfight, I decided to just see for myself. I caught just a bit of Joe Biden's speech Saturday after Obama nammed him as his choice for Veep. The video and full text are here.

Biden came out swinging, hitting every chord of the class warfare song. That's pretty tough to do for a man who graduated from Yale Law School, worked as an attorney for four years, then got elected to the Senate. Kinda makes it tough to believe him when he says "Ladies and gentlemen, your kitchen table is like mine." Except a lot smaller, of course.

Also, Joe derides the lack of progress in several key Democrat talking points issues, but neglects to mention that he has been in a position in the Senate to affect those issues for over thirty years. That's the main reason why I said that it's difficult to elect someone out of the Senate. The candidate is always vulnerable to the question, "If it's such a good idea, why haven't you done anything about it so far?" Hold your breath to see if someone from the MSM asks that question.

[Mink]

Gaffney, just out of curiosity, who would have been your pick for Obama?

[subdjoe]

Well, I'm not Gaffney, but I will take a crack at it. Since Barry is all about "Change" I think he could have picked someone other than a sixth TERM senaor who is well entrenched in the system and is resistant to any change in it, other than making it more socialist. By picking one of the people who personifies the system he is saying that his message of "Change" really doesn't mean anything.