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Post by harpman1 on Sept 14, 2008 17:15:12 GMT -5
No crudeness intended. It's hysterical 'cuz it's historical.
The term was coined by FDR's 1st VP, who actually said "The Vice-Presidency isn't worth a warm bucket of piss". Ask "Cactus Jack Garner" what he meant, although most folks need no translation. "Qualified" is the point here. Gov. Palin at the bottom of our ticket is as "qualified" as Sen. Obama at the top of yours.
If he's ready & qualified, so is she.
Running your own campaign is the weakest stretch of a "qualification" any politician has ever used. as in "I'm qualified to be President simply because I'm running."
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Post by Mink on Sept 14, 2008 18:23:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the history tidbit harpman1!! Well, as for palin being ready & qualified, I wonder how she will do taking the back seat as she is so used to playing front in Alaska. The campaign, claiming to be about reform, will have much to prove with campaign staffers from past admins. news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13323;_ylt=Ao3BEMby1c.LkUVBQY5ooN1h24cAWith Sarah Palin facing unrelenting press scrutiny and enjoying off-the-charts excitement from voters, John McCain’s campaign is quickly moving to augment her staff and put in place an infrastructure that can address the unexpected wave of interest. This team of aides and advisers is tasked with preparing Palin for media appearances, including her first on ABC later this week, her debate against Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden early next month, pushing back against near-daily accusations from liberal activists as well as inquiries from mainstream journalists. They are also offering the sort of support provided to any vice presidential pick. This new team of aides and advisers brings years of experience in Republican politics, and includes many who worked for President Bush in the White House and on his two campaigns. They will bring a similarly aggressive mindset as campaign chief Steve Schmidt, also a veteran of the disciplined Bush-Cheney effort. The public face for this pushback, though, will be woman Republican politicians, a “truth squad” team designed to highlight attacks on Palin and draw sympathy to her side. _________________________________________ A "truth squad".....for attacks.....what attacks?? Seems a bit juvenile if you ask me.
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 14, 2008 18:29:15 GMT -5
So did Randi Rhodes' comments, but we'll carry on somehow.
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Post by Mink on Sept 14, 2008 18:42:51 GMT -5
Carry on with potential four years of bush policy? I don't see how the country can afford it.
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 14, 2008 18:49:34 GMT -5
He's. Not. On. The. Ballot. Much as you may wish he were.
I'm afraid that race was run long ago.
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Post by Mink on Sept 14, 2008 19:14:07 GMT -5
His (bush) policy is on the ballot via mccain/palin. The reform they claim is, in reality, more of the same. And no, I don't wish him on the ballot like I don't see mccain/palin doing any better.
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Post by surefire on Sept 14, 2008 19:16:59 GMT -5
His (bush) policy is on the ballot via mccain/palin. The reform they claim is, in reality, more of the same. And no, I don't wish him on the ballot like I don't see mccain/palin doing any better. The same can be said for Obama. It's going to be 4 - 8 more years of Clinton elitist socialism, in my opinion.
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Post by Mink on Sept 14, 2008 19:27:13 GMT -5
We're getting off topic, but anyway, it wouldn't be Clinton in office.
Back on topic, if palin can take a back seat despite her differences of opinion with mccain, the campaign has too many bushites. It seems the party is taking over......the "reform" saying will be just that, a saying, a line to get potential voters to swing their way, only to be sorry when they are elected and there will be no reform. We will continue with more war, the economy will only get worse, health care- available for some...etc.
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Post by Len on Sept 16, 2008 8:12:25 GMT -5
Mink, you are right. I think the Feds should intervene in every aspect of every state and eliminate all such laws, behavior, and conduct. Those, like Representative George Miller of the East Bay sponsor of PAW, really do understand how everyone should live as he has many life experiences, such as travel to Oakland AND Berkeley, as well as Richmond all in the same day! I understand he will introduce a bill to subsidize the mocha industry so that all Americans will have to drink the same as he, but sandal-wearing will be optional while doing so. <sarcasm mode:off>
Mink, I lived in Alaska as a young man and I really do understand a person's revulsion of shooting animals from a plane. When I wsa there it was $50/both ears for wolves and the film seeing it turned me off as well. But after some time I realized...well Ferrous put it well....there is a reason and it's not a "mad hunt" as is often projected. Those outside of the state, like Representative Miller, have no idea, just images.
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Post by Len on Sept 16, 2008 8:31:10 GMT -5
As for "experience" I just read that it was a 143 days in national office that Obama found he was ready to run for POTUS. Besides, folks, even IF Sara became president, I would find that acceptable. I believe our country could withstand anyone, even Barrack. I don't find Sara to be the pejoratives that many characterize her to be. I am under the impression that the founding documents made room for a weak president more so than a strong one. Especially since it is Congress that mandates ALL laws, controls the purse strings, and regulates government, and thus, our lives. As folks we cannot focus on 535 guys, but we can complain TO one president, not simply ABOUT him/her.
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Post by The Big Dog on Sept 16, 2008 14:31:39 GMT -5
Not true on the constitutional aspect.
The founders envisioned a somewhat stronger executive. Bear in mind that the President is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, while the Congress has no constitutional authority other than to declare a state of war and to fund (or not) the military.
What has been happening, since the resignation of Nixon severely weakened the office, is that the Congress has as an institution been treading farther and farther into the executive's areas of responsibility. Other than Reagan no president since Nixon has really stood up well to this ongoing program of usurpation on the part of the Congress. Think back to the Church and Pike committees of the 1970's which emasculated our foreign intelligence communities. Or the six times revised Boland Amendment. The repeated attempts by members of Congress at meddling in foreign affairs... such as Madame Speaker's recent Middle East trip that the State Department asked her, begged her, not to make. The congressional meddling in the ongoing mortgage crisis, when laws and regulations passed by the congress have been one of the contributors in chief to the debacle.
If you need any more examples then just look at the 535 generals and admirals trying to manage a war on terror from their domed home on the hill. It ain't their job. If they want to have oversight, fine, but they don't run the show.
This country needs to get back to a stronger executive, regardless of party, who will look at the likes of Madame Speaker and Leader Reid in the eye and say publicly.... don't meddle in the affairs of the executive branch, its not your place and you're going to get the country into deeper trouble than it already is. I don't tell you how to run Congress, so don't be telling my folks what to do.
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Post by jgaffney on Sept 16, 2008 15:16:25 GMT -5
If a Democrat president said that to a Republican Congress, it would be seen as a Good Thing. Remember Clinton's battles to keep his staff out of congressional hearings by declaring "executive priveledge"? I seem to remember that he fought it to the Supreme Court a couple of times, but lost. Now, when Bush declares executive privledge to keep Harriet Meyers out of the hearings, the Dems are up in arms.
I think the Dems are much better at screaming and yelling than the Republicans are. Of course, having the media in your back pocket helps, too.....
But, back to our show: I am continuously amused that the progressives can claim that Sarah Palin's executive experience as mayor and as governor does not qualify her to be "a heartbeat away," while their own front runner has exactly zero - zip, nada - executive experience. Community organizer? Gimme a break!
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