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Post by JustMyOpinion on Sept 7, 2008 10:06:17 GMT -5
And since this is the Sarah Palin on the Issues thread I thought you might like this visual. I KNOW some points will see moot to some of you, but for the most part the video does cover a lot of interesting points:
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Post by The New Guy on Sept 7, 2008 12:14:56 GMT -5
she is "forcing" her teenage daughter to marry the father of her baby! you're kidding me, right jmo?
she thought the founding fathers wrote the pledge of allegiance. without looking it up do you know who wrote it?
i can find 100+ youtube videos that do the same thing with obama. did you take notice of the sources given for these claims?
as for minks laundry list of vetoes........GREAT!!! i would love to have a potential president who unlike GWB isn't afraid to use that veto pen when necessary. you have provided a list of accomplishments that sarah barracuda should be very proud of.
i can almost guarantee you that every organization that asked for money was asking way more than they needed and being a frugal governor she said .......NO.
fire lake elementary needed to replace "unsafe" sports equipment? what exactly is unsafe sports equipment?
$36,000 to repair a school bus? pulheeze. sounds like that thing needed to be scrapped rather than repaired.
she should wear those vetoes like badges of honor.
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 7, 2008 12:34:46 GMT -5
Cutting spending? What could be more conservative?
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Post by ferrous on Sept 7, 2008 13:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mink on Sept 7, 2008 14:14:11 GMT -5
I see they filled in the blanks here from Aug. 30th when I first posted this link to start the thread.
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Post by Mink on Sept 7, 2008 14:25:30 GMT -5
Similar details of governance exist for every politician. BHO tapped into the same newness thing as Sarah. Thus his remarkable rise without much of a record. Newcomers are popular because they are new. The Nov. question is, with which newcomer are more folks going to feel comfortable? Did you read the whole link harpman1? Here is another portion: quote: PALIN: “I understand that we must reduce our dependence on foreign energy. I’ve worked with our state’s energy producers to expand our production so that we can have a safe, reliable supply of energy produced here in the United States.” REALITY: PALIN SUPPORTED EXPORTING NATURAL GAS WHILE ALASKA BUSINESSES CLOSED BECAUSE OF SHORTAGES Palin Backed A Two-Year Extension Of The Export License To Export Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) To Japan And Other Asian Countries— Criticized Because Alaska’s Gas Reserves Are Declining. “Alaska producers can continue shipping gas to Asia after DOE last week approved an extension of the export license for the Kenai liquefied natural gas plant owned by ConocoPhillips and Marathon. The companies will be allowed to export up to 98.1 Bcf to Japan and other Pacific Rim countries over a two-year period through March 31, 2011. […] The application came under fire from local end-users, including gas distribution companies Enstar and the Chugach Electric Association, as well as fertilizer maker Agrium, all of which claimed the exports would exacerbate the problem of declining gas reserves in south-central Alaska. Agrium permanently closed its plant near Kenai due to an inability to find enough local supply for the facility that used 53 Bcf/year. In January, ConocoPhillips and Marathon reached a deal in which they agreed to step up development in the Cook Inlet region in return for the state's support of the export license extension. The producers also agreed to divert gas from the LNG plant as needed to meet the peak winter supply needs of the local utilities. […] Alaska Governor Sarah Palin welcomed the DOE approval. "In these times of economic uncertainty, this is great news for the state and its residents. This extension will secure a future for the LNG operation and is another step toward ensuring energy supplies and energy security for Alaska," the Republican Governor said. [Platts Inside FERC, 6/9/08] Press Release, 6/26/06] · Agrium Closed Manufacturing Plant Because Of Gas Shortage. “Reserves of gas in producing fields in South-central Alaska are declining, posing concerns for supply to local utilities. A manufacturing plant on the Kenai Peninsula owned by Agrium Corp.recently announced it would close because the gas shortage.” [Alaska Journal Of Commerce, 11/25/07] · Gov. Palin: Agrium Closure Is Unfortunate. “Agrium announced yesterday that the plant will close in December due to a shortage in the supply of Cook Inlet natural gas, leaving about 100 of the 140 employees without employment. ‘It's unfortunate to see the closure of a facility that has provided so many jobs that support families on the Peninsula,’ said Governor Palin. ‘I am heartened to hear that Agrium is willing to keep its options open if sufficient long-term supplies of gas can be found. We know there is more gas to be found and developed in Cook Inlet, so I remain hopeful that those jobs can be preserved.’” [Palin press release, 9/26/07] PALIN: “And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.” This REALITY: PALIN IS CLOSE TO THE OIL INDUSTRY Sierra Club Director Carl Pope Said “No One is Closer to the Oil Industry Than Governor Palin.” "No one is closer to the oil industry than Governor Palin," said Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club in comments reflecting the views of a cross section of environmental activists. They cite her eagerness to embrace expanded offshore oil development, her lawsuit against further protection of polar bears so as not to hinder oil drilling in Alaska's ice-filled waters and her ardent support to allow oil companies into the Alaska wildlife refuge. [Associated Press, August 30, 2008] Palin Took $13,000 from Lobbyists Representing the Oil Industry in Her2006 Campaign for Governor. The lobbyists who donated to her campaign represent a range of industries, including oil and gas, tobacco, education and the Native Alaskan community. "She's fought oil companies and party bosses and do-nothing bureaucrats and anyone who puts their interests before the interests of the people she swore an oath to serve," Mr. McCain said Friday at an Ohio rally to introduce her as his running mate. But since Mrs. Palin leads a major oil-producing state, that industry is one of her top donors. She collected nearly $13,000 from lobbyists who represent oil and gas industries in her primary and general campaigns, according a review of her campaign donations and 2006 registered state lobbyists.[Washington Times, September 1, 2008] ________________________________________ This link is very revealing even with more info out about the Gov. On top of all of this, she has hired her own family lawyer, using state money ($95,000.) to pay for the investigation regarding her abuse of power.
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 7, 2008 14:45:37 GMT -5
She should be close to the oil industry. They provide employment to many & $$$ to all Alaskans. There is nothing inherently wrong with the oil industry.
Big Question: Will her basic conservatism guide her actions as VP? Unless she lied to a Federal Grand Jury, I am unconcerned with her associations.
And look; every last shocking revelation re: the Gov. has been debunked. No banned books; no faked pregnancy; no Sambo; 'nuttin'.
She has & will continue to energize & excite the single largest faction of voters: conservatives. They are double the # of professed liberals, and were going to sit this one out. Not now.
And remember: no-one has or will ever be elected POTUS without the support of white men. They love her and will vote for her, even if they are only lukewarm about McCain.
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Post by Mink on Sept 7, 2008 15:01:30 GMT -5
She is exporting product, leaving citizens with no jobs or closing down plants. What is good about that?
What is good about her using state money ($95,000.) to hire her family lawyer?
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Post by Mink on Sept 7, 2008 15:16:31 GMT -5
Well harpman1, I didn't start the thread to convince you not to vote for mccain/palin, but I think the team, just like the other one, needs to be honest and people need to know what they are about, where they stand on issues...etc Although, she let it be known via the press that her daughter is pregnant, she also led people to believe that she was against the "bridge to nowhere", which isn't true or at least, the story had been twisted. www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-31-palin-bridge_N.htmquote: While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess. And as mayor of the small town of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002, Palin also hired a Washington lobbying firm that helped secure $8 million in congressionally directed spending projects, known as earmarks, according to public spending records compiled by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste and lobbying documents. Wasilla's lobbying firm was headed by Steven Silver — a former chief of staff to Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, a key proponent of the bridge project. McCain has blamed spending for projects such as the 'bridge to nowhere' for the Republican defeat in the 2006 congressional elections. _______________________________________________ Instead of being truthful and telling us that "she was for it before she was against it", she outright lied.
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 7, 2008 15:17:46 GMT -5
Minor details; red herrings; shouted distractions.
Are you prepared to defend, in detail, all the actions of Bill; Hil; BOH; Biden? I didn't think so, nor would I expect you to. It is an unreasonable expectation to have.
As you would do, I'm looking at the much larger picture re: Gov. Palin. No lawyers fee or oil deal is substantial enough to obscure the main point. She is a conservative & they/we love her. Biden got 1-2% of the Dem. primary votes. His "base" has heard nothing new from him in 20 years. He brings nothing to his ticket in the way of voter blocs. Sarah, however, does.
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Post by Mink on Sept 7, 2008 15:48:39 GMT -5
I should have remembered the main point is: she is conservative.
As is bush/cheney/mccain and they have screwed enough people, but they are conservative. I know Republicans who won't vote conservative this time around because of the last 8 years. Anyway, this thread is on palin and although you are going to vote for her, aren't you the least bit concerned that the economy will get worse than it is? Look how she lost jobs and created a deficit in Alaska.
Aren't you concerned that we will be paying for more war, and they didn't mentioned the all time high unemplyment during the convention, no worries?
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Post by harpman1 on Sept 7, 2008 16:04:45 GMT -5
No. None at all. I support these wars & am anticipating the defeat & humiliation of Iran with glee. Until unemployment starts to approach Carter levels, they are well within normal ranges. Nor do I lie awake re: deficits. Deficits are a natural & normal part of a nation at war.
Yes, the main point, the one that has millions rallying 'round her, is her conservatism.
Pres. Bush is a Republican in caps & a conservative in lower case.
For Sarah, that is reversed.
A majority of Americans self-identify as conservative.
Things are looking questionable for The One.
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