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Post by jgaffney on Jun 2, 2008 14:12:28 GMT -5
Sure beats our TRILLION dollar quagmire in Iraq. I'd take illegal immigration over that any day! The trillion dollars is a stretch created by Joseph Stiglitz and is not backed up by solid economics. If Stiglitz were not a flaming partisan in the debate, it might be worth more study. You know, I find it amusing that certain progressives will rant and rave about the lack of success in the War in Iraq, despite all of the news accounts we are receiving recently. Yet those same progressives see nothing wrong with the lack of success in the War on Poverty, the great liberal program started in 1968. With the trillions of dollars that has been poured into that war, why do we still have people living below the poverty line? Why is the answer always to throw more money at it? |
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Post by harpman1 on Jun 2, 2008 14:24:32 GMT -5
As an easily fooled poor white voter in the West, I laugh at your racist elitist stereotype of what I like to call "Normal Decent Patriotic Americans".
I will be continuing to cling, thank you.
The 2nd amendment: the one that guarantees all the others.
Boy, is there a big surprise coming for the Obamessiah in Nov., thanks to the disenfrachised "Women of Hillary".
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Post by bolverk on Jun 2, 2008 17:16:43 GMT -5
TNG: " your party helped elect bush, twice. reverend wright and father pfleger are shooting obama in the foot. obama will be embarassed in november. real americans (the sheepdogs of this nation) will ensure the right man takes the oath in january." -__________________________________________________ Here we go again, typical bush regime jive. "If you say it, they will believe it" jargon. Bush was selected twice not because he had enough voters, but both elections were rigged. The Neo-cons have and will continue to tie Sen. Obama to these two reverends. Has it changed his numbers any? Kind of like how Obama got elected in his first election? No, wait, Obama sued all of his rivals in that election, forcing them off of the ballot and disenfranchising the voters long before the ballot was even printed. If I recall that Florida election, Al Gore first sued to prevent the election official, Secretary of State of Florida Katherine Harris, from certifying the election as required by Florida Law. Al Gore, after losing many lawsuits, was the one that took it all the way to the United States Supreme Court, just to get them to count one broken chad corner, a limited optical marks as opposed to a verifiable mark (as if someone touched the ballot while considering who to vote for), any dimples or any optical marts. Gore was grasping at straws. He lost every count that he requested. He held this country up for his own gain, rather then having the dignity to move on. That is a typical democrat. So, I am going to call you a liar for suggesting that the election was rigged. There was an attempt by a thief to steal in the night, but lucky for us, the courts decided correctly. I am tired of the Democratic panty waste sniveling about it, it has cost this country in more ways then you will ever know. It has done vast damage, and the pathetic people who cling to these desperate straws are not worthy of being in a critical conversation about the future of this country. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 2, 2008 17:21:17 GMT -5
I don't think either election was "rigged" per se, but there was some shady stuff going on in Florida in 2000. I agree, and Al Gore should hang his head in shame over it. Because the shady stuff was the lawsuits he launched when he saw he was going to loose. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 2, 2008 17:26:38 GMT -5
I don't think either election was "rigged" per se, but there was some shady stuff going on in Florida in 2000. As I see it, Bush never should have won either election, not because of cheating but because it seems the American people are too easily fooled. Over the past 8 years I have lost my faith in the American voter. The average voter no longer does research into who will be the best candidate to represent them in office but instead they buy into blatant fear mongering and smear campaigns. That's the real reason why Bush won, Karl rove won it for him. If you look at who voted for him, many were poor, white voters in the South. Bush certainly didn't represent their interests economically so what we were left with for an explanation was they voted for "moral reasons." I guess this included the fact that evangelicals flocked to the polls for Bush, as did gun rights activists. Thus, Obama is correct when he says "they cling to their guns and cling to religion." Saying these voters are "bitter" is putting it lightly. They were downright naive and gullible! Now these same voters are complaining because they are struggling to stay afloat economically, their sons and neighbors are dying in Iraq, and all the while oil companies are making record profits. Would their right to bear arms be any different if Gore or Kerry had been elected? No. Would the blurring of the line between church and state be less severe? Probably. So, hopefully, in this election American voters can peel themselves away from their guns and religion long enough to make a rational, informed decision on who our next President should be. If they do, they will see through the "swiftboating" and find that Obama will benefit them much more than McCain would. <fingers crossed> See, your diatribe is exactly why I despise democrats today. You belittle the American people because your pompous progressive candidate could not get the job done. You, and people like you, are what is wrong with this country. Get over it, Bush whipped his pathetic little democrat butt. However, you democrats became so enraged, you set out on a scorch and burn policy of politics. And now the congressional approval ratings are reflective of the actual job they have done, and it is described as terrible. |
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Post by mrroqout on Jun 3, 2008 17:40:05 GMT -5
Wow - The more I read about this HUGE LIAR the more scared for our Nation I become. Should this lying clown actually win the election we are EFFFFFFFFED ROYALLY.
Everyone including B.Hussein himself always tout the so called fact **cough** Lie ***cough** that he came from nothing and worked his way to the top.
Seriously?
But his father was a priveleged well educated youth who went on the work with the Kenyan Government.
He'll tell you though his father was a lowly goat herder....
According to B.Hussein - His grandmother has always been a christian..
Yet according to her OWN WORDS she does her daily Salat prayers at 5AM. Also last time I checked Christianity frowns on being one of 14 wives.
B. Hussein will tell you his name is African Swahili ---
Yeah right... Your name is Arabic all three of them.
An EBONY Magazine article moved him to run for office.
Too bad Ebony Magazine says this article never existed.
A LIFE Magazine article - Changed his outlook on life -
LIFE Magazine can't find this article either.......
He once said "I Wont run on a National Ticket in 08" HERE'S THE FUNNIEST PART OF THIS ONE
He said he wouldn't HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE BY THEN and he is ALL ABOUT HAVING EXPERIENCE FIRST ------Ooooops
He has claimed to be a Professor Of Law ---- Bzzzzzzzzz WRONG ANSWER
He was senior lecturer on leave.
He was a Constitutional Lawyer - Bzzzzzzzzzzzz Wrong Answer
You were senior lecturer on leave
His economics bill will Help America - Right that's why your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal that lost 99-0 . He voted AGAINST his own bill.
He believes in Fairness and Not Tactics - Uh huh I am pretty sure Alice Palmer would call what you did --- TACTICS
Wal Mart is a company he wouldn't support - LIES talk to us about the 250K your wife got through Treehouse, a company with major connections to Wal Mart.
My Church is just like ANY other church - Sure ANY other extremely radical church that's leader blames the US for 9/11 and names louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
He is also "Very Anti Terror" yet one of his good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months.
He has the best plan to cure the mortage crisis - Right what's that take more money from Sub Prime lenders? To date he has taken nearly 1.2 million from lenders...266K From Lehman 150K from credit Suisse 170K Morgan Stanley and so on.
My favorite doosy from this clownshow:
"I am as Patriotic as anyone"
LIES LIES AND MORE LIES --- You wont wear an American flag pin on your lapel and you wont put your hand over your heart during the anthem...
This guy has lied about the lies that he lied about so many times ...he may actually believe he is telling the truth.
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Post by saunterelle on Jun 3, 2008 17:54:44 GMT -5
Where did you cut and paste that from??
It's a list of preposterous (and irrelevant) accusations the Republicans will sling at Obama. Just like in the primaries, we will see him brush off the insults and deliver the positive campaign Americans are ready for. He will handily defeat McCain in November.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 3, 2008 18:21:21 GMT -5
Yeah, and Barack, tell us about how your wife quit TreeHouse Foods, Inc. only after you decided to run for President. Also, explain to us why it was okay for your wife to work for an anti-union store while you were Senator, but not while you run for President. That sir, is called hypocrisy.
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Post by bolverk on Jun 3, 2008 18:25:34 GMT -5
Preposterous accusations? It is a matter of court record that Barack Hussein Obama sued all four Democrat candidates for the election to State Senate, a seat held by Alice Palmer. All removed on a technicality, and Alice Palmer claims she could have warded off the challenges if the time was not so short and she had more resources.
Michelle Obama was on the board of TreeHouse Foods, Inc. since June 2005. They are anti-union, and a Wal-Mart vendor. She only quit the position, to which she was re-elected until 2010, after Barack Hussein Obama decided to run for President. So, why is it okay for her to make money from a non-union company while he is a Senator, but not President. Because he is a lying hypocrite, that is why.
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Post by The Big Dog on Jun 4, 2008 1:34:46 GMT -5
Over the past 8 years I have lost my faith in the American voter. The average voter no longer does research into who will be the best candidate to represent them in office but instead they buy into blatant fear mongering and smear campaigns. That's the real reason why Bush won, Karl rove won it for him. Again with the palaver about Rove? Can't you argue a point from any direction other than demonization? Karl Rove, if anything, won the office for Bush twice, the exact same way Dick Morris did for Bill Clinton, twice. And how Brent Scowcroft won it for Bush 41. And how Jim Baker and company won it for Reagan twice... and so on and so on. It's called politics. It is a dirty, shirt sleeves rolled up and arms covered in mud kind of business. That is how the game is played. No Republican has the market cornered, just as no Democrat does. And Barack Obama, coming out of the Byzantine labyrinth that is Chicago politics, knows how to play it as well. That he, an unproven and largely untested politician, beat the presumptive nominee, herself a past master at playing a filthy game, is testament to him knowing exactly how to play hardball. The problem with idealists like you Saunterelle, and you are all the same regardless of what side of the aisle you support, is that your idealism both illuminates and blinds you to the reality of the game and how it is played. |
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Post by bolverk on Jun 4, 2008 11:57:31 GMT -5
Here is a valid question for you Obama supporters out there:
Since Obama has only been in office for three years, and has spent the last 16 month's campaigning, how does he meet your experience criteria, which you applied to George W. Bush and other candidates. He has less then two years experience on a federal level in reality, far less then Hillary.
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Post by jgaffney on Jun 4, 2008 12:03:18 GMT -5
In his acceptance speech last night, Obama said, "I respect [McCain's] accomplishments, even if he continues to deny mine." Maybe some of you Obama supporters could fill me in on just what Obama has accomplished, in a legislative sense. Vague claims to "uniting us" don't count.
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