Is Obama worthy?

[mrroqout]

It's not "cut and pasted" from anywhere.

It IS nearly the same as a similar list I found that had around 67 LIES the man has told recently. I wanted to make sure the ones I listed were verifiable, and ALL are easily verified with a little bit'a google.


Sorry your super hero is a lying smarmy scumbag, just like the rest of em.

And HONESTLY it's irrelevant he goes to a SUPER RADICAL church? Whose pastor would like nothing more than to see the downfall of the USA?


It's irrelevant he swears he doesn't use "Tactics" yet SUES people off of ballots?

Right and you HONESTLY in your gut BELIEVE it WILL NOT be business as usual with this assclown as President?

The man is a pathological liar..you're deluded if you think anything but.

[bolverk]

Also, why does Obama mis-characterize McCains stance on Iraq? I listened to Obama's speech this morning, and he is either a liar or ignorant, I am not sure yet which it is.

If we leave Iraq on his time table, how does that strengthen the security of Israel?

Well, it can't. For one, we would be abandoning the Iraqi people to more and more insurgents. Is that what we want? That would surely increase the insecurity of Israel.

Also, if we abandon the Iraqi people on his time table, it will likely increase hostile feelings toward our country. And, when the insurgents get their foothold, we will have to go back a third time to quell the situation. How many of us want to send our troops to Iraq a third time because we listened to the ignorant voices of liberal politicians again? That is why we are back in Iraq now, because we did not go to Baghdad the first time and remove Saddam, as we should have, and as the best military minds recommended. Instead, we listened to the progressives and got ourselves into a decade long quagmire that is just now sorting itself out.

No, Obama may be an idealist, but he is not a realist. Leaving Iraq in 18 months, as he suggests, is as about a stupid plan as there ever was. True, it would signal to the Iraqi government that it is time to stand on your own. But, it would also signal to every nation that provides insurgents that the gates are open. Iraq would fall, and we would return to square one.

And lastly, every nation we went to war with in the past has enjoyed the presence of the United States as a means to rebuild their countries. It is a historical fact. Why would we deny the same to Iraqis? Are democrats just bigoted toward them?

[bolverk]

Jun 4, 2008 12:04:49 GMT -5 mrroqout said:

Right and you HONESTLY in your gut BELIEVE it WILL NOT be business as usual with this assclown as President?

And let's not forget just how little saunterelle thinks of people who rely on their gut. I wonder if he applies the same criteria to his own gut?

[saunterelle]

"I wonder if he applies the same criteria to his own gut?"

I would certainly not rely on my gut as justification to take our country to war. And it's simply something Obama wouldn't do either. You will see a much needed return to intelligent and reasonable thought in the White House once he beats McCain.


"Obama may be an idealist, but he is not a realist. Leaving Iraq in 18 months, as he suggests, is as about a stupid plan as there ever was. True, it would signal to the Iraqi government that it is time to stand on your own."

So what is your solution? Spend ourselves into a depression trying to rebuild a country that insurgents are continually blowing up? All the while, China invests in our country until they are the only superpower on the world stage. Your plan that takes us down the rat hole into weakness is very un-Republican, yet you're willing to do anything to ensure Bush isn't a complete and total failure. News flash: HE ALREADY IS.

[bolverk]

Ah, you hit one nail on the head, un-Republican. I am an American, baby. And when I see people crying out for freedom, there is only one option, react. Not sit on the sidelines counting bodies and wringing my hands like a good democrat.

I outlined my plan already. If, in your infinite wisdom, you failed to read it and understand the simple truth it offers, then you are showing you do not understand world politics. But, I am not surprised. Democrats are basically bigots when it comes to other countries seeking democracy.

Also, if you are going to attempt to use my words against me, be smart enough to use them all: "No, Obama may be an idealist, but he is not a realist. Leaving Iraq in 18 months, as he suggests, is as about a stupid plan as there ever was. True, it would signal to the Iraqi government that it is time to stand on your own. But, it would also signal to every nation that provides insurgents that the gates are open. Iraq would fall, and we would return to square one."

See the part that says if we leave we will give over Iraq to the insurgents? Ultimately that means we would have to return to do a job we have done twice. We had to return to Iraq because we listened to people just like Barack Hussein Obama in the past, and did not take Saddam Hussein out the first time we were there. It put us into a ten year quagmire, that only one person had balls enough to attempt to end. Did he make mistakes? You bet. So will Obama, but his mistakes will signal weakness, not strength.

[saunterelle]

Still spewing criticism of my solution with no realistic solution of your own. If I'm hearing you right, you want America to go bankrupt rebuilding Iraq and then go around the world tearing down and rebuilding other non-Democratic nations. You, my friend, are nuts!

[bolverk]

Jun 4, 2008 13:11:45 GMT -5 saunterelle said:

Still spewing criticism of my solution with no realistic solution of your own. If I'm hearing you right, you want America to go bankrupt rebuilding Iraq and then go around the world tearing down and rebuilding other non-Democratic nations. You, my friend, are nuts!

Nuts am I, hmmm. I may be incorrect. I may have pie in the sky hopes of turning the entire world into a real democracy. But I am not nuts. But, you only feel comfortable insulting me from behind your keyboard.

And, yes I read your solution. It will fail. Denying Iraq what we have given to every country we have ever been in hostilities with is not the way to endear people to America. But it is certainly a way to increase the hostile feelings toward us and create another generation of people who see as elitist people who will not help them to rebuild their country after we destroyed it.

And, just because you have failed to read my solution, posted in another thread, does not mean I have not offered one. It only means, like most democrats, you are to lazy to read it. Exactly why the last Bill the Congress sent to the White House was missing like 30 pages.

[bolverk]

And, by the way, why is it okay to bankrupt the entire country chasing faulty science and pouring good money after bad to stop Global Warming, but not a good idea to help a destitute people who are suffering the effects of war? Why is it wrong to rebuild Iraq, give them schools, jobs, highways and airports? What is wrong with helping Iraq build back its infrastructure and protecting them from people like Iran?

Even Obama has harsh words for Iran. He is just wrong on Iraq policy, presumably because he has no real experience, as Democrats are often so found of requiring for all candidates except their own.

[bolverk]

In fact, the idea that not protecting other democracies is exactly what led to the crisis in Burma right now. And no, I will not use the name created by an illegal military junta government to describe that nation. But, I will say that ideas like yours are exactly why so many suffer there now. Had we interceded during the 1990's, we would not be seeing so many dead and suffering like there is now. We failed them, and are responsible for their suffering through our inactions and unwillingness to protect another democracy.

[saunterelle]

The fact is that our invasion of Iraq was a mistake. We went in under false pretenses, misled by a deceitful leader (see Bush's lies thread). Before we get too much further into this quagmire we need to leave before it's too late, just like Vietnam.

Even a superpower like the U.S. doesn't have the resources to police the world alone. I didn't meant to call you nuts, but the idea that we should go into bankruptcy to liberate all oppressed nations is ludicrous.

[jgaffney]

Here's a question I would like the moderator to pose to Sen. Obama in the upcoming presidential debates:

"Senator Obama, given that you were a member of Trinity Church for 20 years, and given that you undoubtedly sat through more than one sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a strong proponent of black liberation theology, which has been described as a cross between black racism and Marxism, please tell us how Rev. Wright's black liberation theology has shaped your views and what role it will play in your government."

[bolverk]

Jun 4, 2008 14:33:37 GMT -5 saunterelle said:

The fact is that our invasion of Iraq was a mistake. We went in under false pretenses, misled by a deceitful leader (see Bush's lies thread). Before we get too much further into this quagmire we need to leave before it's too late, just like Vietnam.

Even a superpower like the U.S. doesn't have the resources to police the world alone. I didn't meant to call you nuts, but the idea that we should go into bankruptcy to liberate all oppressed nations is ludicrous.

You are wrong, Vietnam suffered horrendously because we pulled out. It was the worst possible outcome, all because of the tune in, turn on and drop out crowd. And now you wish the same fate on Iraq? Learn from history my friend. They only became the second fastest growing economy when they embraced capitalism and encouraged the private ownership that was discouraged by the Viet Cong. So, you want Iraq to go through two decades of catastrophic economic collapse as well? Or to be torn asunder by insurgents and Militant Muslims? You are a cruel individual indeed.