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Post by bolverk on Oct 22, 2008 11:45:43 GMT -5
Most conservatives held their nose to vote for Bush. There was no way we were going to vote for Clinton's man, the stiff politician, Al Gore. And no one in their right mind would ever vote for John Kerry.
No, you are misrepresenting what most conservatives believed.
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 22, 2008 12:05:57 GMT -5
Most conservatives were also sold a bill of goods by Bush. He was billed as the "Compassionate Conservative". Which apparently was some kind of code for over spending, government expanding, Democrat agenda following leadership.
Because those things are exactly what he has done on just about everything but the war, and his strategy there up until the past year or so has been open to some question.
He is not a Republican in the Reagan mold, not by any means. Nor is he a Republican in the Goldwater mold. He is, like his father, a Northeastern liberal Republican and, again like his father, he has pissed away nearly everything the conservatives fought for and won in the 1980's and 1990's. He has let conservatives be marginalized and villified and let himself be identified as one, even when his record indicates he most assuredly is not.
It is a bitter, bitter pill for conservatives to swallow and it is a major reason why support for McCain was so tepid up until he put Palin (a real conservative) on the ticket.
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Post by saunterelle on Oct 22, 2008 12:57:25 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Although, I don't think Palin even knows the difference between "real" conservatism and "compassionate" conservatism.
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Post by surefire on Oct 22, 2008 18:45:15 GMT -5
Despite his promises, I am almost sure Obama and the left will attack the second admendment. He indicated as a Senator his true stances, and I do not believe he saw the light and is suddenly going to support 2A now.
I humbly agree with you about the patriot act and wire tapping. It went too far.
I did not vote for Bush (I voted third party). So, I cannot speak for the pure conservatives. However, I speculate most voted for him as a gag response... both major choices in 00 and 04 were so bad that they took in their minds the lesser evil.
I'm not convinced McCain is a carbon copy of Bush. I'm still not voting McCain, but I don't buy that he is Bush Jr. I see him as a water-down conservative that may be a little too eager to play world police. Regardless of who wins, it is going to be one heck of a tough challenge given the economy and world events.
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Post by surefire on Oct 22, 2008 18:49:03 GMT -5
Most conservatives were also sold a bill of goods by Bush. He was billed as the "Compassionate Conservative". Which apparently was some kind of code for over spending, government expanding, Democrat agenda following leadership. Because those things are exactly what he has done on just about everything but the war, and his strategy there up until the past year or so has been open to some question. He is not a Republican in the Reagan mold, not by any means. Nor is he a Republican in the Goldwater mold. He is, like his father, a Northeastern liberal Republican and, again like his father, he has pissed away nearly everything the conservatives fought for and won in the 1980's and 1990's. He has let conservatives be marginalized and villified and let himself be identified as one, even when his record indicates he most assuredly is not. It is a bitter, bitter pill for conservatives to swallow and it is a major reason why support for McCain was so tepid up until he put Palin (a real conservative) on the ticket. I pretty much agree what Big Dog says here. Palin is a solid conservative, but because of this won't have a chance in 2012, IMO. You need to be a moderate to win the general elections if you have an "R" by your name, IMO. This country is going left... only the left can win a general election with less than moderate candidates, IMO. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 22, 2008 21:45:22 GMT -5
This is debatable, even by conservatives, maybe not on this forum, but they have voiced it on national TV.
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Post by surefire on Oct 22, 2008 21:51:46 GMT -5
This is debatable, even by conservatives, maybe not on this forum, but they have voiced it on national TV. Note I stated "solid"... not full conservative. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 22, 2008 23:05:05 GMT -5
What is the difference?
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Post by surefire on Oct 22, 2008 23:07:17 GMT -5
Solid denotes to me acceptable, but not ideal. Full being ideal or close to it. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 22, 2008 23:14:01 GMT -5
Thank you for explaining what it means to you. I understand now.
I just asked because to me, solid means "concrete" or "sound".
I disagree that she is solid as you describe but that is my opinion.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 23, 2008 11:38:31 GMT -5
Do you know the difference? |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 23, 2008 11:40:18 GMT -5
Thank you for explaining what it means to you. I understand now. I just asked because to me, solid means "concrete" or "sound". I disagree that she is solid as you describe but that is my opinion. Like a conservative gives a rats ass what a liberal thinks a solid conservative is. Is Obama a solid liberal? How about a solid progressive? How about by today's standards? I think he is, which is why we should all be scared as hell. |
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