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Post by harpman1 on Oct 29, 2008 14:48:37 GMT -5
Sure, sauntarino:
1)OK, but that doesn't alter the fact that if 99% of white folks voted for the Republican, that would be labeled racist, so what's good for the goose...
2)"I don't look like other Presidential candidates..."
or"By the way, have you noticed he's black?"
Both are Obamalisms from this year. Look 'em up.
3)Oh, where he says he had to figurativally disguise himself when he worked in the Corporate World.
Or where he said in an interview that his grandmother cringed when black men walked by her on the street, but that was because she was a "typical white person".
4)Live by the race card, die by the race card.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 29, 2008 15:35:22 GMT -5
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subdjoe, an act of disrepect toward Palin is minuscule compared to the still lingering racism in this country. After all, women have substantially risen in society though still have a few hurdles to get over. The Palin comparison is like comparing apples to oranges, was there a plot to kill her by a group of woman haters?
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Ah, so death threats (hanging in effigy) against a Republican is OK then. Pot shots at a vehicle she was in are OK. I see. Nice double standard you have.
If the left would let the issue of race die it would have been gone long ago. But as long as the left focuses on the politics of divinde and conquor, continues to push race, race, race as a major part of the platform, of course there will be people who resent it. Reconstruction was one of the worst things for race relations that ever happened in this country. The racist attitudes of the north were imposed on the entire nation. If the carptebaggers and scallywags like Jesse, Al, Al, Louis, and the rest would get real jobs and drop their racism and professional victimhood, and preaching that all blacks need to remain victims, things would improve.
You should see how pissed off people get when I tell them that the first link in the slave trade was blacks capturing other blacks to sell to moslem arab slave traders to sell to New England slavers. Or when I suggest to a black with roots in Lousiana or SC that it could be that their black ancestors here owned black slaves themselves.
If you want to eliminate racism, start by treating everyone as equals.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Oct 29, 2008 16:05:10 GMT -5
YIKES! Where did I say it was ok? I did see this bit regarding the hanging mannequin: today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/27432472#27432472It is in bad taste, and yes, the public would be even more outraged if it were Obama given the history of hanging slaves. I didn't read about the "pot shots" at Palin's car, yes that is unacceptable. Is this a generality? |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Oct 29, 2008 16:10:50 GMT -5
More: I do not have double standards, and I have NEVER said anyone should endure the effects of violent behavior.
I am pointing out that there is far more hatred based on race/Obama then there is toward Palin since she is a woman, Republican etc. There is a difference in numbers and misguided intentions of those who can't accept a "black" person for president.
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Post by maxsawdust on Oct 29, 2008 16:30:47 GMT -5
While you may be correct. I'm afraid there are possibly just as many, probably ALOT of the same people. That wont be too happy at all about a woman VP or President..
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Oct 29, 2008 16:37:04 GMT -5
Max, I agree in some parts of this country women are still hindered, but I think the difference is they are not hated. And, so long as McCain is alive and still has the potential to be President it will not influence voters on which candidate to choose. To me that is the defining difference.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 29, 2008 17:07:17 GMT -5
YIKES! Where did I say it was ok? I did see this bit regarding the hanging mannequin: today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/27432472#27432472It is in bad taste, and yes, the public would be even more outraged if it were Obama given the history of hanging slaves. I didn't read about the "pot shots" at Palin's car, yes that is unacceptable. Is this a generality? You wrote: " an act of disrepect toward Palin is minuscule compared to the still lingering racism in this country" dismissing it as unimportant. See the thread about concerns for the safety of McCain and Palin for the shooting incident. Read up on the draft riots in NYC. Also check how blacks were treated by Federal troops when the southern states were invaded. More attrocities in a few short years than in the 200 years of slaverly. Race relations in the South were actually pretty good - every southern state had free blacks living and working alongside whites. Many, heck MOST, of the slave owners worked alongside their slaves, they had to. In the north, where many states had laws prohibiting blacks from setteling in them, it was another matter. A few blacks, either free or escaped slaves, became popular with the intellegencia and upper classes, but for the most part blacks were scorned and treated very poorly. I'm not defending the insitution of slavery, far from it. I'm pointing out that the real history of slavery and race relations in this country are not what is taught in the history books. And that the "free states" were quite a bit less tolerant than the slave states, that the anti-black bigotry of the north was imposed on the south during the so called Reconstruction. When the abolition movement became strong the slave owners in what would become the free states didn't free their slaves, they sold them south. |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 29, 2008 18:44:21 GMT -5
Just for the record, I've shown 99% of you respect even if I didn't agree with you. I don't appreciate the knee-jerk responses and stereotyping, and I expect the same consideration of my posts that I show you, well, unless you've crossed a boundary that is... Then stop with the spouting of the complexities of racism. Because more and more the faces of racism are faces of color. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 29, 2008 20:16:44 GMT -5
So being categorized as a terrorist is peaceful and solves our country's problems.....yeah right. Mink, stop it with the misdirection. The question on the table is the racism in the campaign and the Obama camp's early use of the race card. When and where? Links please? |
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Post by Mink on Oct 29, 2008 22:47:41 GMT -5
JMO, earlier, Mink took me to task for posting an article that was about half as long as yours. Does she apply the same standards to you? Gaffney, I'd like to address your question to JMO. As JMO pointed out, she doesn't usually post lengthy articles and although this one post in question is lengthy, I think we can let it go. It isn't a rule, but I asked you on another thread because you were posting many for me to read and I just couldn't keep up, while you expected immediate response. As we all know, there are few rules or expectations here, but it is all a matter of consideration. Carry on!!  |
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Post by Mink on Oct 29, 2008 23:07:54 GMT -5
BTW JMO, it was a good piece and you were correct in saying, it was worth the read. Not only is Obama dealing with this issue, Mccain/Palin added onto it with more fear using the word "terrorist". Many on both sides of the aisle have said this is dangerous for the country and yet Palin says "I'm Jo Mama" yesterday at one of her rallies and today insists Obama is now tied with the PLO.
Instead of solving the countries problems, the Mccain campaign is adding on to them.
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Oct 30, 2008 8:43:55 GMT -5
Bolverk, you said:
I am "spouting" because there is merit to my words, and the post is about racism, Obama etc. so how is it inappropriate to discuss it? And, how are the 'faces of color' an issue here?
A post from jgaffney:
I chose not to respond to whether or not either party started the racial mud flinging, but to keep it simple (clean) and point our that Obama is certainly against racist views in this country and it will hinder his popularity and final vote tally
The Time Wise article points out Obama is in a catch-22 for not playing the race card, and if he plays it he's still screwed. Why? Because this country still struggles with race issues and often it is not on the surface as the Wise article describes. It is a complex issue no matter which facet you look at.
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