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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 12:14:19 GMT -5
When Hispanic gangs in Los Angles target only Blacks in an attempt to commit genocide, that is racism. Wow, no white people. But do you hear it called what it is? No.
When Obama surrogates like Jack Murtha call their constituents racists that is racism by Obama. I did not hear Obama refute it or tell that anal orifice Murtha to STFU. That is racism also.
Reverand White (you can't say that name Obama disagreed with his pastor), pure racist.
There is plenty of racists of color. The only problem is your white guilt. I do not have white guilt. I never owned a slave, my father never owned a slave, his father never owned a slave and my grandfathers father never owned a slave. I come from poor dirt farmers of Scottish and Welsh decent. In fact, the very first slaves in this nation were Scotts, bet you didn't know that. You don't hear them crying for reparations or redistribution of wealth. The Irish either.
Is there racism in this nation? Yes. And it is practiced by virtually every race that is here.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 12:16:39 GMT -5
There is nothing complex about racism.
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Post by maxsawdust on Oct 30, 2008 12:46:28 GMT -5
and today insists Obama is now tied with the PLO. So dropping your kids off to be babysat at the home of the former spokesperson for the PLO. May not mean he is tied to the PLO..but seriously is it THAT much of a stretch? That and the Israel bashing party he attended in Khalidi's honor don't look like he's NOT tied to them in some way. However much of a stretch it may be, and why the censorship surrounding the tape..if there is truly nothing there. Remember your party called for the head of Trent Lott, for a lot less than a full blown Israel bashing party. |
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 30, 2008 12:56:02 GMT -5
"In fact, the very first slaves in this nation were Scotts, bet you didn't know that. You don't hear them crying for reparations or redistribution of wealth. The Irish either."
Interesting that you mention that. I recently saw a part of a letter written by a Brit (I think) who was visiting one of the ports in the south, might have been Charleston, in the antebellum days. He saw a ship being loaded with bales of cotton. Blacks were on deck shoving the bales around and down into the hold. Down belowdecks, in danger of being crushed when the bales were tossed down, were the Irish wage slaves. The Brit asked the ship master about that and was told "Well, the darkies, they cost money. Who cares if a mick gets killed? There are plenty more of 'em."
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 13:45:16 GMT -5
Americans don't know their history very well, they let pundits tell them they way it was. Unfortunately, the pundits get it wrong most of the time.
In the state of Georgia the very first slaves were of Scottish decent, there are even records to prove it. No one ever talks about how my fore fathers were slaves, as I am a quarter Scott, a quarter Welsh and half German. I will never seek a dime of reparations from America or England.
Most Caucasian Americans do not even know their own history. I have a very good idea of mine, though some of the middle from the time our ancestors set foot on these shores are missing. Still, I know a lot about who I am.
I also know that there is more then one white race, so lumping us all as white is in and of itself racism. The Huns, Goths, Celts, Romans, Greeks and Norse were all different and not of the same ancestry. But, we allow people to lump us all together out of our own ignorance of who we are and tell us we are the root of the problems in this country. I, for one, am sick to death of hearing how I prevent one group or another from rising up and reaching their full potential.
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Post by saunterelle on Oct 30, 2008 13:56:41 GMT -5
How many Scott slaves were there vs. African slaves?
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 14:01:14 GMT -5
Tell me why it matters. Putting any human into slavery is wrong. But, making people believe that only one group of people were ever slaves is even more wrong. And disingenuous.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 14:02:55 GMT -5
It is also racist to say that the suffering in bondage of one race is more important or more significant or more wrong then the suffering of another race.
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Post by saunterelle on Oct 30, 2008 14:05:59 GMT -5
Your gripe that we aren't taught about Scott slaves may not be valid. If there were only 3 Scotts in slavery vs. millions of Africans, the Scott slaves are insignificant and the likelihood that you are descended from these slaves is extremely low.
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Post by subdjoe on Oct 30, 2008 14:07:55 GMT -5
Not only do they not know much of their history, but much of what they do know, or think they know, is just plain wrong. And usually wrong because it has been twisted by the liberal intellegencia to sooth their white guilt. Just about every culture has practiced slavery at some point. And just about every culture has been oppressed as slaves at some point.
What is different about the siutation here in the US is that rather than having slavery die a natural death (it was on its way out in the South. CSA Pres. J. Davis had plans for educating blacks in preparation of the eventual end of chattal slavery in the Confederacy so that blacks could take their place as equals. He carried that out for his own slaves. ), it was ended at the point of the bayonet and almost half the country was "reconstructed" into economic ruin that it still hasn't climbed out of.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 14:15:04 GMT -5
Only we know that there were far more then three. It was common practice for England to force the Scotts into bondage during the time they were attempting to rule Scotland. That is a matter of history.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 14:17:45 GMT -5
Not only do they not know much of their history, but much of what they do know, or think they know, is just plain wrong. And usually wrong because it has been twisted by the liberal intellegencia to sooth their white guilt. Just about every culture has practiced slavery at some point. And just about every culture has been oppressed as slaves at some point. What is different about the siutation here in the US is that rather than having slavery die a natural death (it was on its way out in the South. CSA Pres. J. Davis had plans for educating blacks in preparation of the eventual end of chattal slavery in the Confederacy so that blacks could take their place as equals. He carried that out for his own slaves. ), it was ended at the point of the bayonet and almost half the country was "reconstructed" into economic ruin that it still hasn't climbed out of. You got that right. History also shows us that there were Blacks in the south who owned Black slaves. And that there were Blacks who voluntarily fought for the south. But that does not fit the liberal description of our racist past. |
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