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Post by JustMyOpinion on Nov 12, 2008 20:59:53 GMT -5
subdjoe, I will respond to more tomorrow, can't tonight.
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Post by ferrous on Nov 13, 2008 9:47:18 GMT -5
This is frightening.
I have been reading the responses to the first part of this thread and JMO posted Obama's speech from July 2, 2008.
I noticed with quite some concern the highlighting in both red and blue colors.
At the end of his quite wordy narrative (the boy really uses to many words,) JMO had this to say;
"He is asking for accountability, and asking Americans to get involved if they choose to help this country to once again become a country of Americans, not divided by religion race, political party etc.
Please show me where he is asking for a police force equivalent to the Hitler Regime. And is it that he is implying it, or that you all are looking for it? (end quote)
Is this just plain laziness on her part or is it stupidity, or worse has you become so programed by this man's charisma that she can't even see the plain truth in front of her.
The edited text from the transcript provided by JMO was this:
"We’ll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. And we’ll use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda, and make their own change from the bottom up.
In the full speech, Obama was to say this:
"We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy."
Deleted from these lines in the speech was this:
""We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (end quote)
Do I have this wrong, but are overt actions being employed to dummy down the citizens of this country and overwhelm them in propaganda and deception? And the guy isn't even president yet!
If Obama creates an "Office of Propaganda" will Axelrod head it?
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Post by bolverk on Nov 13, 2008 11:53:31 GMT -5
So, if you fail to see the danger in what his proposal of a national security force brings, then I have no reason to even discuss it with you any longer. For you are ignorant of history and the dangers that such a creation has wrought in this world already. If you think this country is immune to such dangers, then you are truly lost and incapable of understanding what I am even talking about. You are right in one regard, I am not a history buff, but I do have an understanding of what Hitler did to control his people like lost little sheep, and I just don't see it here, and frankly, you don't know Obama's intentions either, you are only assuming the worst. Not to mention that the people of the US wouldn't allow such control, and Obama would be out of a job very quickly if it is discovered that he has dastardly ideas. Drivel. I am putting his words up, you say he never said those words and posted his speech to prove it. I posted the real speech, not the one edited by Obama and his team of propagandists. The very fact that he edited it out from his "official version" of the speech should be enough to give you pause. However, you want to believe in him, but I don't operate on that level. I never take any politician at their word. THAT IS STUPID. That he said it at all is very revealing of the inner workings of his mind. A national police force is a socialists dream. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Nov 13, 2008 13:31:27 GMT -5
Then I guess we will see what he has in mind. It seems a bit early to judge his plan when we don't know the details. Could we not say the same about the Obama candidacy, as a whole? It's not, after all, like we know anything more than a few shreds about the man. |
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 13, 2008 16:08:50 GMT -5
You are right in one regard, I am not a history buff, but I do have an understanding of what Hitler did to control his people like lost little sheep, and I just don't see it here, and neither did the german citizenry! time to wake up, jmo. |
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 13, 2008 16:22:55 GMT -5
Something just struck me. The Obamas talk was mostly about infrastructure and social programs. Getting people involeved in community. So WHAT THE BLOODY HELL does a security force (his words) have to do with that? Why throw in something about "our national security objectives" when talking about jobs and neighborhood clean up?
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Post by harpman1 on Nov 13, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
Did I mention that it is time to stock up on ammo big time?
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 13, 2008 20:26:36 GMT -5
Did I mention that it is time to stock up on ammo big time? Components and dies. Plus lead, moulds, and flints. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Nov 13, 2008 21:44:53 GMT -5
Gee Ferrous what a scintillating post at my expense. So impressive, NOT!
My posting the speech in text was to highlight Obama’s words which SHOULD spell out the context of his speech, and to defend my “blathering.” Furthermore, unless your volume control is broken we’d already heard the full speech, and yes, I couldn’t locate the full text BUT, the Chicago Tribune has posted the taboo paragraph. Now, how did Obama miss that one?!
I believe the missing comments were deleted so that people wouldn’t draw negative conclusions prior to the election since the speech was 7.02.08. And, since none of you can prove otherwise I will stick to that conclusion for now.
Elections are all about marketing (duh), and unfortunately politician’s intentions can be misconstrued.
Sorry to disappoint you Ferrous but I am not stupid, lazy, or ga-ga over Obama, but if that’s as far as you can stretch your train of thought than more power to you and enjoy.
Today was, and still is busy despite my apparent lazy assed reputation, so I did not post the Chicago Tribune link, feel free...
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Post by subdjoe on Nov 13, 2008 22:04:05 GMT -5
Ah, so you are saying that he purposely hid his words and plans to mislead the electorate. If McCain had been caught doing that, I have a feeling you would be screaming LIAR! at him.
So, what does a SECURITY FORCE have to do with creating or finding jobs, cleaning up neighborhoods, and all the other social issues that he was talking about? This master orater must have had something in mind by callig it a SECURITY FORCE. What? And why hide it?
Why does he want it as strong and as powerful as all the US miltiary? What does he mean by strong and powerful?
OK, you found it in ONE source. How many other places had the full text? How many had the politically corrected version that makes no mention of this new and improved Sturmabteilung? Why was it left out of all of the major main stream media reports?
Again, if Sen. McCain had been caught in something like this there would be calls for his assination. But The Obama gets a pass on it.
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Post by surefire on Nov 13, 2008 22:08:25 GMT -5
Again, if Sen. McCain had been caught in something like this there would be calls for his assination. But The Obama gets a pass on it. Obama has a cult like following among some. Reminds me of extreme religion (e.g. cults). Obama worshippers will happily jump off a cliff for their surpreme leader. I predict that regardless of the quality of job Mr. Obama does, his hard core sheeple will still have their noses in his butt. |
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Post by JustMyOpinion on Nov 13, 2008 22:23:33 GMT -5
subdjoe, I am speculating just like the rest of you. I'm sorry, again, why did he have his words removed? The real purpose is? Oh wait, we don't know, so instead of waiting and watching and acknowledging potentially good intentions let's all assume the worst. After all, any politician with new ideas and goals must be part of a Hitler type of Regime.
I do understand that people will gobble up a load of crap so long as it has a sprinkling of sweet stuff on it, but to think that with all that has happened over the last 8 years that the vast majority of people are just gonna relax and wait for their supposed checks regardless of consequences, cuz we're all gettin one you know is imbalanced. Do you all know how that sounds? Just think for a minute will you...
I respect you guys, but I can't help but feel your borrowing trouble and running with it.
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