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Post by moondog on Feb 17, 2009 18:28:54 GMT -5
My problem is that you're using discredited doctors for your "scientific research" and you refuse to admit that homosexuality is not inextricably linked to promiscuous behavior. It would be wise to warn your kids against the dangers of promiscuous behavior whether they are gay or not, as the risk is similar. BTW, fighting won't win you the debate. Really, you have not shown me a single place to find what you would call a credible source. However, every study of homosexuality from 1858 to now has come to similar conclusions. And you claim they have all been discredited, including Kinsey? My, it must be nice to live in a bubble, away from the reality you deny. |
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 17, 2009 18:31:21 GMT -5
I know many, many happy, monogamous couples. Perhaps you should look around instead of relying on outdated information from biased organizations. I'm glad to hear that you are tolerant. What confuses me is why you posted an article from the bigoted (2 member) organization known as the Family Research Institute. Did you know that they are on Southern Poverty's list of hate groups in Colorado? www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=CO&m=5 I do admit that there is, and has been, a promiscuous culture within the gay community. I have tried to come up with explanations for why this might be. However, your assertion that it's the "homosexuality that shortens life span" is flat out false. It is each gay person's individual choice regarding how they want to live their life. |
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Post by moondog on Feb 17, 2009 18:33:36 GMT -5
Nor could I say there is such thing as a black life style, etc. People make their lifestyle decisions independent of whether they're gay, straight, black, Chinese, etc. This is a discredited circular argument and ignores the predominant homosexual culture, aka, life style. That is where your argument falters. If you can not change the culture you can not win the debate, because your conditions do not match reality. Or is that to complicated for you to understand? |
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 17, 2009 18:34:15 GMT -5
My problem is that you're using discredited doctors for your "scientific research" and you refuse to admit that homosexuality is not inextricably linked to promiscuous behavior. It would be wise to warn your kids against the dangers of promiscuous behavior whether they are gay or not, as the risk is similar. BTW, fighting won't win you the debate. Really, you have not shown me a single place to find what you would call a credible source. However, every study of homosexuality from 1858 to now has come to similar conclusions. And you claim they have all been discredited, including Kinsey? My, it must be nice to live in a bubble, away from the reality you deny. They study of homosexuality has not been done on a level playing field. As you know, gay people have been chastised, censured, and worse throughout history. Gay people have been left confused about their sexuality and are only recently able to explore and talk about it openly. |
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Post by moondog on Feb 17, 2009 18:46:26 GMT -5
I know many, many happy, monogamous couples. Perhaps you should look around instead of relying on outdated information from biased organizations. Apparently you have not read my posts. I grew up when their culture was becoming accepted in California. I not only have homosexual friends, I have friends who were out during high school in the 1970's because it was accepted here. Are there some monogamous couples? Yes, a few, a very small percentage of the entire homosexual population, even in San Francisco is monogamous though, that is where you falter in your arguments. Your arguments are not based in the reality of their culture, they are based only on specific, prequalified conditions in your mind. I'm glad to hear that you are tolerant. What confuses me is why you posted an article from the bigoted (2 member) organization known as the Family Research Institute. Did you know that they are on Southern Poverty's list of hate groups in Colorado? www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=CO&m=5 There you go again, casting aspersions on people you do not even know. Did you notice that the one post you are picking on had studies from 30 different sources? Are they all prejudice as you claim? No. Did you even bother to look at the second or third sources I provided? No. A real man can see the good through the bad. Something you need to work on. I do not have to accept the teachings of people to understand that the research they quote is valid. You might consider that most of the studies were done by independent scientists. The conclusions are inescapable, except in the minds of people who are deluded of course. I do admit that there is, and has been, a promiscuous culture within the gay community. I have tried to come up with explanations for why this might be. However, your assertion that it's the "homosexuality that shortens life span" is flat out false. It is each gay person's individual choice regarding how they want to live their life. Do you know why you can not come up with an explanation? Because you refuse to admit a biological fact of life. Males are designed to sleep with and impregnate as many females as they can. Nature gave us that instinct to preserve the race. Even homosexuals have this instinct. And, because there are no discriminating females for them to fuss over, they have an open smorgasbord of partners and promiscuity. You will never change that nature, no matter how hard you try. The fault you have though is that you will not accept that basic truth either, so you end up in circular arguments that are not based in reality. Does any of this mean I should discriminate against homosexuals? Not at all. They are humans too. I accept them with open arms and an open heart as friends and contributing members of our society. However, that does not mean I have to approve of their life styles and choices. And I am sick of people like you trying to force me into doing so. |
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Post by moondog on Feb 17, 2009 18:47:21 GMT -5
Really, you have not shown me a single place to find what you would call a credible source. However, every study of homosexuality from 1858 to now has come to similar conclusions. And you claim they have all been discredited, including Kinsey? My, it must be nice to live in a bubble, away from the reality you deny. They study of homosexuality has not been done on a level playing field. As you know, gay people have been chastised, censured, and worse throughout history. Gay people have been left confused about their sexuality and are only recently able to explore and talk about it openly. More denial and bullshit. Kinsey did both of his studies on a level playing field and you know it. Even he reached the same conclusions. |
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Post by The Big Dog on Feb 17, 2009 19:11:04 GMT -5
For a couple reasons:
1) Homosexual promiscuity in the '80s was linked to the fact that gays had to live their lives underground. The mainstream acceptance of gay culture has done wonders for gay people's self esteem and acceptance of the way nature made them.Applesauce. The "underground" nature of the "lifestyle" had nothing to do with it. The very foundation of the "lifestyle" was and is almost rabid promiscuity and the thrill of anonymous sex, such as in bath houses, with as many partners as one could get. Read "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts, then come back for discussion. They could be, but such relationships are in practice the exception rather than the norm. That whole rabid promiscuity thing hasn't gone away, which has kept AIDS resurgent among gay men in any number of nations, including the US. The homosexuality drives the "lifestyle" behaviors. Certainly you've never seen a homicide scene involving gays, have you? They are always very distinctive... that's part of the lifestyle too, I guess? |
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Post by The Big Dog on Feb 19, 2009 16:55:35 GMT -5
The silence, as they say, has become deafening. (Note to Mink... it's been two days since the last post, not two hours.  ) |
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Post by The Avenger on Feb 20, 2009 0:48:08 GMT -5
No kidding! They are confused about the Hershey highway. They don't realize it is a one way street. |
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Post by saunterelle on Feb 20, 2009 20:27:21 GMT -5
Big Dog wrote:
Not true. You are taking one aspect of gay culture and painting all gay people with a broad brush. Many straight people are promiscuous and have anonymous sex too.
No. AIDS has always been spread more easily in gay communities because of the way they "do it." They are more likely to pass the infection on. Again, there are many monogamous gay relationships that are indistinguishable from straight relationships aside from the inability to reproduce. Moondog's claim is still completely offbase.
Not sure what you're referring to here.
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Post by moondog on Feb 23, 2009 13:40:20 GMT -5
Ignorance =  |
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