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Post by bolverk on Oct 30, 2008 11:08:45 GMT -5
I realize you three concur on such a majority, but I don't feel the same doom. In fact, they (politicians) have much to clean up after the outgoing president finishes his destruction of the country. Edited to add: Doesn't it make you wonder how the Republicans got themselves into this predicament? I have no pity. The fickle American public and uninformed, uneducated people who don't know the history of the political party that created and gamed the very tax system that is used to create class warfare in this nation. Now go vote for your man who has used his surrogates to convince the voting public they are racists if they don't vote for Obama. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 30, 2008 22:13:48 GMT -5
I realize you three concur on such a majority, but I don't feel the same doom. In fact, they (politicians) have much to clean up after the outgoing president finishes his destruction of the country. Can you say with a straight face that Shrub deserves 100 percent of the blame, and that the radical left running the house and senate are innocent? I personally believe the blame can be spread among many. That does NOT mean that I'm sticking up for the president. I consider our current president to be among one of the worst presidents of recent memory. Yes, I can say with a straight face that "W" 100% of the blame. How much are we spending everyday for this war? Who took us into this war? Who attacked us on 9/11? I personally think he took the Republican party from a conservative one to war-mongering as he instilled fear into the country. I blame any Democrat for not seeing this and voting with him, but as you know, they didn't have the numbers in Congress to be effective or counter. As for your conclusion that the Democrats have the majority in Congress, why do you think they were voted in, during Bush's time? They may have a few more numbers than the Republicans. I have said it before and I will repeat it again. The majority is NOT filibuster or veto proof, hence their ineffectiveness to get much done. This is a reflection of the Republicans' vy for power, yet they point the blame on the Dems. |
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Post by surefire on Oct 30, 2008 22:20:33 GMT -5
Can you say with a straight face that Shrub deserves 100 percent of the blame, and that the radical left running the house and senate are innocent? I personally believe the blame can be spread among many. That does NOT mean that I'm sticking up for the president. I consider our current president to be among one of the worst presidents of recent memory. Yes, I can. How much are we spending everyday for this war? I personally think he took the Republican party from a conservative one to war-mongering as he instilled fear into the country. I blame any Democrat for not seeing this and voting with him, but as you know, they didn't have the numbers in Congress to be effective or counter. Fair enough, we agree to disagree. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 30, 2008 22:25:17 GMT -5
Surefire:
Indeed!
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Post by bolverk on Oct 31, 2008 11:48:52 GMT -5
Bullshit, like this is real responsible debate Mink. Why did you take his statement out of context? Do you think it shields the irresponsible individuals you back? Here is the exact quote, "I personally believe the blame can be spread among many. That does NOT mean that I'm sticking up for the president. I consider our current president to be among one of the worst presidents of recent memory." Please notice that he said the blame can be spread among many and that does not mean he is sticking up for this President. You ignored that and that is what pisses off us conservatives, because you are an ass playing the blame game. I disagree with surefire, the worst President in my life time was Jimmy Carter, period, end of story, bar none. Frankly, I don't give a rats ass who agrees or disagrees with me, I lived it. A 70% tax rate on $108,330 dollars of income? That was not wealthy in the time of Carter, but did that stop him from being a thief in the night? No. Just why in the hell do you think Reagan wiped the floor with that peanut farmer in 1980? Because the people realized that they were being taken to the cleaners by the progressives in the Government. Carter was by far the worst President in the History of this country. |
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Post by bolverk on Oct 31, 2008 12:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by surefire on Oct 31, 2008 20:02:03 GMT -5
Bullshit, like this is real responsible debate Mink. Why did you take his statement out of context? Do you think it shields the irresponsible individuals you back? Here is the exact quote, "I personally believe the blame can be spread among many. That does NOT mean that I'm sticking up for the president. I consider our current president to be among one of the worst presidents of recent memory." Please notice that he said the blame can be spread among many and that does not mean he is sticking up for this President. You ignored that and that is what pisses off us conservatives, because you are an ass playing the blame game. I disagree with surefire, the worst President in my life time was Jimmy Carter, period, end of story, bar none. Frankly, I don't give a rats ass who agrees or disagrees with me, I lived it. A 70% tax rate on $108,330 dollars of income? That was not wealthy in the time of Carter, but did that stop him from being a thief in the night? No. Just why in the hell do you think Reagan wiped the floor with that peanut farmer in 1980? Because the people realized that they were being taken to the cleaners by the progressives in the Government. Carter was by far the worst President in the History of this country. We don't disagree Bolverk. I simply forgot about Mr. Peanut. farmer. Given how little positive things he accomplished, he was quite forgettable. Jimmy Carter IMO WAS worse than Bush. |
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Post by Mink on Oct 31, 2008 22:47:41 GMT -5
By comparing Bush to Carter doesn't exactly shine a light on Bush.....or does it? Bloverk, you guys have always taken a portion of mine or anyone's post that you would highlight and usually bash. Note that I agreed with surefire. BTW, most of us lived when Carter was president and all of us have experienced Bush....shheeesh  |
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Post by surefire on Oct 31, 2008 23:01:12 GMT -5
By comparing Bush to Carter doesn't exactly shine a light on Bush.....or does it? Agree. It's like comparing a pile of dog poop to cat urine. They both stink! |
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Post by Mink on Oct 31, 2008 23:34:12 GMT -5
By comparing Bush to Carter doesn't exactly shine a light on Bush.....or does it? Agree. It's like comparing a pile of dog poop to cat urine. They both stink! He-he ;D |
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Post by bolverk on Nov 3, 2008 13:40:56 GMT -5
I must disagree. This country has not been attacked since 9/11.
Under Carter we lost before we even got started.
Remember the failed rescue attempt of the 50 some odd American hostages taken in Iran? Why did if fail?
Because Democrats don't spend money on the military and the helicopters were not properly equipped to handle desert flight. We lost two aircraft and eight American soldiers without firing a single shot.
But the second Reagan won the election the hostages were freed. Why? Because Iran knew Reagan meant business and Carter was just a weak kneed liberal who ejaculated prematurely when it came to a real test of his resolve.
George W. Bush has been diligent in the War on Terror. He has prevented more attacks on the United States with increased intelligence. And he has helped to mitigate the aids problems in Africa as well as helping them to build more infrastructure.
Is G.W. the best President this country has ever had? No, not by a long shot. But he is not the worst, or even a close second. History will be kinder to him then the opposition has. How many of you could go back to a job everyday where people like Mink, no worse then Mink, are attacking you for not doing their job. Relentless, withering attacks that have no merit. Some things he is responsible for, but the economy is sitting squarely on the lap dogs in Congress, yet Bush had to bear their cross as well.
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Post by bolverk on Nov 3, 2008 13:43:44 GMT -5
I realize you three concur on such a majority, but I don't feel the same doom. In fact, they (politicians) have much to clean up after the outgoing president finishes his destruction of the country. Edited to add: Doesn't it make you wonder how the Republicans got themselves into this predicament? I have no pity. How do you respond to such patent falsehoods. Only one way I can think of.  |
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