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Post by saunterelle on Oct 27, 2008 14:11:46 GMT -5
I will admit that this disturbed me. It is a public radio interview with Obama from 2001. He appears to be fairly radical here with regards to redistributing wealth in America. He mentions it several times and comments that "the Warren court wasn't that radical."
I have to admit that the possibility of Democrats obtaining a 60% majority in the House and Senate are somewhat disturbing combined with the fact that up to 3 Supreme Court justices could be appointed over the next 4 years.
He still has my vote (I could never vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket) but I will be wary.
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Post by surefire on Oct 27, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
I will admit that this disturbed me. It is a public radio interview with Obama from 2001. He appears to be fairly radical here with regards to redistributing wealth in America. He mentions it several times and comments that "the Warren court wasn't that radical." I have to admit that the possibility of Democrats obtaining a 60% majority in the House and Senate are somewhat disturbing combined with the fact that up to 3 Supreme Court justices could be appointed over the next 4 years. He still has my vote (I could never vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket) but I will be wary. I respect you for looking at this objectively. It scares the hell out of me to have all three checks and balances in one party's hands. Especially with numbers so high that a fillibuster won't work. The Dems are going to pick up 10-20 more seats (combined house/senate). I believe a mixed check and balance is always best for the economy and country in general. This prevents either side from being able to promote their agenda too easily. I could live with Obama as president... only if the Republicans had a huge lead in either the senate or house. We are headed for a RADICALLY different America... literally.
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 27, 2008 14:33:50 GMT -5
I appreciate your candor Saunterelle. And I respect that you still hold the opinion that he is the best man for the job and still has your vote. I do hope, however, that you at least understand better why some of us have been so fundementally opposed to Senator Obama. That, however, begs the question... if Mr. Obama is elected and starts his term with close to super-majorities in both houses of Congress, won't it be too late to do anything about it should he (as I expect) show the true stripe of his "plan"? In short, what can you be wary of? The brakes, in that circumstance, would be off and there would be absolutely nothing any of us could do but suck it up, ride it out and hope it isn't too personally painful. Having said all that, while this latest revelation is indeed sobering, I'm left to wonder what took it so long to get out. In part, I think, it goes back to the (in large part) non-vetting of Mr. Obama by the mainstream media. Until his rapid ascendancy after Iowa, everyone and everything was hyper-focused on Hillary. By the time she ultimately lost to Obama in June it was far too late. But when one considers how deeply into the tank much of the mainstream media was and is, it really isn't surprising at all. Don't believe me? How about Juan Williams? Or perhaps Michael Hastings who was assigned to the Giuliani campaign and makes no bones about "objectivity" or the lack there of. All of these strings, when pulled together into a bundle make an interesting story.
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Post by jgaffney on Oct 27, 2008 15:30:18 GMT -5
I doubt that anyone in the MSM will touch this story. Other than FOXNews, who do you think would risk their career by reporting this?
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 27, 2008 16:31:18 GMT -5
If McCain starts hammering it, and both he and his surrogates already have today, the 527 Media may be hard pressed to ignore it.
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Post by Mink on Oct 27, 2008 21:22:08 GMT -5
Saunterelle, Obama said he will work with the other side of the aisle and even have Republicans in his cabinet. I understand your concern, but I am choosing to be optimistic here especially since the interview was in 2001. I think most politicians regret one thing they said or a position they took at least once, if not twice.
I'm not even worried about a majority in the Senate, due to the fact that the next president won't be in position especially with the deficit that is being handed over, to do anything. There will be much clean up in every aspect, from the war to social security. We have "bigger fish to fry", in other words. Clean up is the utmost task and who knows how long that will take.
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Post by The New Guy on Oct 27, 2008 22:35:26 GMT -5
i must admit i was totally shocked to see you post this santurelle. kudos to you. it shows that you are capable of viewing things somewhat objectively.
mink, on the other hand is still on her kool-aid binge.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 28, 2008 11:17:09 GMT -5
I will admit that this disturbed me. It is a public radio interview with Obama from 2001. He appears to be fairly radical here with regards to redistributing wealth in America. He mentions it several times and comments that "the Warren court wasn't that radical." I have to admit that the possibility of Democrats obtaining a 60% majority in the House and Senate are somewhat disturbing combined with the fact that up to 3 Supreme Court justices could be appointed over the next 4 years. He still has my vote (I could never vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket) but I will be wary. A lot of good it will be to be wary, as money is moved from the earners to the takers. You are making your own bed, the problem is you are using sheets that belong to someone else.
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Post by bolverk on Oct 28, 2008 11:20:58 GMT -5
Saunterelle, Obama said he will work with the other side of the aisle and even have Republicans in his cabinet. I understand your concern, but I am choosing to be optimistic here especially since the interview was in 2001. I think most politicians regret one thing they said or a position they took at least once, if not twice. I'm not even worried about a majority in the Senate, due to the fact that the next president won't be in position especially with the deficit that is being handed over, to do anything. There will be much clean up in every aspect, from the war to social security. We have "bigger fish to fry", in other words. Clean up is the utmost task and who knows how long that will take. I never once heard Obama say he will have Republicans in his cabinet. McCain has said he would have both Democrats and Independents in his cabinet during the debates. But I have never heard Obama say that. I did hear him say he would work in a bi-partisan way, but not once did I hear him say he would have Republicans in his cabinet. Give me a source.
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Post by saunterelle on Oct 28, 2008 12:31:03 GMT -5
What springs to mind for me is Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, in which he lays out his political beliefs. Obama makes it clear that he believes a President should surround himself with people who hold opposing viewpoints. He expounds on Bush's folly of surrounding himself with yes men. Will he stick by this idea when he is in office? I don't know. He has indicated that he thinks Warren Buffet would make a good Fed Chief.
I've been thinking about it and I would like to hear the section of this interview in context before making any final judgment. The person who found it and put it out there obviously had dubious motives, evidenced by their tacking on the "Joe the Plumber" segment at the end. So if anyone can find the full interview from 2001 I'd love to hear it.
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Post by harpman1 on Oct 28, 2008 15:26:23 GMT -5
I think you may be able to find it on Rush Limbaugh's website.
The whole "centrist" act was just that; an act.
Listen carefully & you can hear Karl, Nicolai, Joe & Mao.
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Post by The Big Dog on Oct 28, 2008 15:57:41 GMT -5
While I know the leftists here will poo-pooh the source, Michelle Malkin has a good compendium with links to sources that tie it all together. Barack said, in essence, that we need to break free of constraints put upon government by the Constitution to pursue his ideal of the socialist agenda.... exactly the reasons why the founders wrote the document in the first place, to prevent government from growing out of control and ultimately becoming confiscatory and tyrranical. Given all the seizures and expressions of power that government has taken in the past half century or so, it is already on the verge of tyrrany. Some would say that line has already been crossed. Clearly Barack, who means well I am sure, intends to cross the Rubicon to a new age of government. That is what scares me. Government hasn't really fixed anything it's touched in a century at least. Many times government has made a bad situation worse. But Barack proposes, and how many times have the leftists done so, that government can fix it all so long as it has enough money to do so. Am I the only person who sees this as a problem? And something that isn't conveyed in this posting is that Senator Biden got asked tough questions again by an anchor in Philadelphia since the dustup he had with Barbara West in Florida, and another TV station has had it's access to the campaign and the candidates terminated for it. With each new revelation of Barack's past and his socio-political mindset we are given over to howls of "foul" from his surrogates, with no explanation given of what he actually said, and what he believes now. Anyone who questions has their access taken from them. If this is how Barack and his fellow Democrats are going to govern, and there isn't any reason at this point to think they won't............. it's a little frightening, don't you think?
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