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Post by harpman1 on Jan 25, 2009 18:30:15 GMT -5
Nice, TNG.
I like it.
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Post by moondog on Jan 26, 2009 12:59:01 GMT -5
No, our crisis does not simply stem from that. There are multiple causes for the crisis from both sides of the aisle. Denial is not river in Egypt. You are among a very small group of people saying that the CRA was not an issue. To bad you are wrong. The Bank failures are all tied to the Real Estate failures. The Real Estate failures are primarily due to the CRA ratings and loans pushed to people who could not afford them. Have you not been paying attention to the mainstream media, the Congress and President Obama? |
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Post by moondog on Jan 26, 2009 13:06:50 GMT -5
I too, want The One to fail, as his failure will be America's success. The O-policies he campaigned on are proven to be failures. Why would I want them to succeed? I also question your "support" for GWB. It appears, strangely enough, just as his administration ends. Hmmm... As has been stated ad infinitum by your brethren, as refers to "the troops", I can say plainly that "I support the President, I just don't support his policies". Rush is not being duplicitous and hypocritical, you are. Clinton, FDR, JFK... The list goes on and on. Obama's political bent has been proven to work time and time again. It took FDR's "socialist agenda" to carry us out of the great depression and now Obama will have to save our asses from the disastrous policies of George W. Bush and the Republicans. How can you be so pigheadedly stubborn to believe that the failed conservative policies that got us into this mess are the right ones to get us out. Republicans had control of the White House, Senate, and Congress and they did NOTHING but dig us deeper and deeper into depression and misery. Face it, your way is the wrong way. And please explain how Obama's failure would be America's success. Is that what you would tell the millions of Americans who could be out of a job or starving out on the street? I don't go around saying that Bush's failures were America's success. They were America's downfall, now we have to rally around our new, intelligent, President and hope he can lead us out of this mess. To bad FDR did not get us out of the Depression, that was the accomplishment of one Harry S Truman. A quick economic study of the era proves this. In fact FDR increased unemployment and exacerbated the depression, causing it to drag on longer in this country then any other country in the world. If you would like to discuss the economic implications of the tyrant FDR, I would be happy to oblige you. His is one of the most misunderstood administrations of our history. He gave us corruption at newer and higher levels. He was the first to think fairness was the governments job. He was a Woodrow Wilson follower, and Woodrow Wilson screwed every American that was yet to be born with the income tax and the IRS. And, of course you don't know what you are talking about with Republican administrations either. Reagan's economy was far better the Clinton's. FDR's was a shambles. And JFK cut taxes, but was not around long enough to even have a huge effect on policy. Lyndon B. Johnson, the racist was most responsible for policies after that era. Unemployment has only reached Depression era levels three times in the history of this nation. Guess what, it was beat back twice before FDR with a cut in Federal Expenditures. The second time also included income tax rate cuts. But under FDR the rates went up as well as expenditures. Guess what, unemployment actually got worse for a time under FDR. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 26, 2009 13:16:45 GMT -5
I'll say! Bush's policies have left the country in the mess we are in today, ie a recession, high unemployment, two wars we can't afford, hugh deficit....and the list goes on. But if you like it, yay, he did it all in 8 years, which is why the Republicans lost the White House & Congress. I hope they take responsibility and help the Obama admin. clean up their mess. You seem to always forget how the economic decline under the Bush administration coincided with the voting in of a Democrat majority in the House, the branch of government constitutionally responsible for the very things you blame Bush for. The previous six years were actually fairly prosperous in comparison. |
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Post by moondog on Jan 26, 2009 13:23:53 GMT -5
What I notice about Mink and the people of her ilk is that they blame Bush for what is the failures of other branches of Government. In some ways that is legitimate, but in others it is disingenuous.
If you are going to blame Bush, yelling and screaming at the top of your lungs that he has ruined our economy, then you vote him out. Yet, you fail to vote out those that were in the branch of government responsible, then you are being hypocritical. For saying the Bush is the Executive and he should make sure people do their job is a good reason to blame him. But, you must also remove the problem as well, the people whose job it is to design the policy. That would be the leaders in the House and Senate.
When was the last time Mink voted against Feinstein, Boxer, Woolsey or Thompson?
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Post by moondog on Jan 27, 2009 14:37:46 GMT -5
I take her answer to be never, she has never voted against the problem, the Democrats that represent us and have pissed away California's prosperity by not representing our interests in Congress. Fire them, and fire them loudly, for all to hear. That would be real Change this State could prosper from.
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 27, 2009 22:36:42 GMT -5
jiminy lives!
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Post by moondog on Jan 28, 2009 13:46:16 GMT -5
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Post by jgaffney on Jan 28, 2009 16:14:23 GMT -5
The conclusion one could draw from this discussion is that the Left, who spent 8 years claiming that Bush was dumber than a post, now cannot stand a similar level of criticism against their selected leader. Claiming that, "It's all Bush's fault!" will only last so long with the electorate. Remember how quick the Left was to blame 9/11 on Bush, after he'd only been in office 7 months?
Obama must assume responsiblity for the economy on Day One. It is what it is, and it's his.
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Post by saunterelle on Jan 28, 2009 20:06:10 GMT -5
Now your stupidity is showing. Exactly how is Obama responsible for our current economic crisis?
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Post by subdjoe on Jan 28, 2009 21:00:27 GMT -5
Hey, MINK! Sauntelle just said GAff was stupid! Why are you not on him like white on rice? Or is it OK since he is on your side?
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Post by Mink on Jan 28, 2009 21:52:36 GMT -5
Hey, MINK! Sauntelle just said GAff was stupid! Why are you not on him like white on rice? Or is it OK since he is on your side? Is that why you allowed name-calling subdjoe? Saunterelle wrote: Please keep our dialogue civil? Thank you, carry on and enjoy the debate! |
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